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post #1 of 30 (permalink) Old 03-05-2013, 06:35 PM Thread Starter
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a local rodeo is planned for easter and i got work dealing with trouble makers, was not going to work this dog untill he turned 2yo min but they want dogs there as they are expecting dramas, a request for police presence has been made which will prolly inolve that the po-po will respond some many hours after the call instead of the next day, bit of a thing about if people want to organise these events don't waste valuable police resources "policing" it.

rang my decoy to say need to proof the dog and he thought that meant making sure he was docile around the people, i meant the opposite. sorted that out and next session will involve the muzzle and hidden sleeve both of which the dog has not done, any tips how to rush this thru in no time flat.
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post #2 of 30 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 06:37 AM
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No, running through things in no time flat is shippy training if it the first time the dog is exposed to something....now if the dog is already exposed and very proficient in muzzle and suit work....then it is just a matter of reintroduction.
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Just curious what would happen if you as a civilian (I assume, please feel free to correct me on that) and your dog hang around as a deterrent but something does end up breaking out and your dog bites someone, or some people.

Will there be any liability against you? will your dog be at risk of being PTS? Has he handled such a situation in the past? I'm thinking worse case scenario here, all bets are off, people are going after each other drunk and you come in with your dog. Will he just start biting? What if it's a child he bites? A police dog is obviously protected from liability (or would be in a perfect world) but I just wonder if your dog might be at risk of being PTS because he was doing the job he was trained to do... Not sure if it's worth it, but to each his own.

With that said, is he even used to the muzzle? some dogs need a few introductions until they are even ready to accept the muzzle let alone going against a decoy. Hidden sleeve is another thing - some sleeve oriented dogs need an adjustment period and will get a lot of conflict after that first bite unless done right. But that all depends on the temperament you know?

I wouldn't rush into it is all I'm saying but it's a free country and besides I don't know the whole picture so I can only speak based on what I read in your post.

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make sure ur dog is use to the muzzle by putting 1 treat in it a day then just get him use to it so he likes wearing it

hes not ready for crowd control dont take your dog

if you are good in combat just do it yourself
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ayoit, another recent thread discussed the legalities in a number of jurisdictions. in short it seems universal that dogs in this capacity can be used only in a purely defensive role. interestingly if an untrained dog bites an innocent here it may or may not go to court, if a trained dog in a working sg role bites it by law will go to court, the bite has to be justified in clearly defined legislation which effectively means the guard needs to be assualted first. i am fully liable for my actions, the emloyer has no liability.

going to have to skip the muzzle and suit and go with the hidden sleeve, not a problem for the dog.

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If something happened and someone wanted to sue, they can list your employer in the lawsuit if they want to. Who is liable is determined in court, even if there's a pre-arranged agreement between yourself and the employer.
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Anytime you say rush to get something done will lead to problems. Of most concern is the fact that you are bringing an untrained/uncertified dog into a crowd situation. If your dog has not been exposed to any of the situations that you are going to put him in, then expect failure......which may mean lawsuit! Your dog must be comfortable, obedient and have trained in the crowd setting or it will go bad.

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in the real world training and preparation is never perfect or complete and there are always risks, if there were no risks i would not be getting the work period. the point has been well made re the laibility, i know the legislation backwards, any actual training advice other than don't do it??, i guess not.
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[QUOTE=x11;3145882]in the real world training and preparation is never perfect or complete and there are always risks, if there were no risks i would not be getting the work period.QUOTE]

Yes there are always risks. But just like a military, there is operational risk management. You have to weigh the options and determine if the risk is worth it. In this case at this time, it doesn't sound like it.

Yes preperation is never complete or perfect, but what you can do is train as many different scenarios and situations as possible to better your odds of making it out of any situation successfully. I wish you the best of luck.
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thanks for thoughts, dog is not excatly competely green have put literally dozens of clips up here, furthermore the dog never had any bite training at all untill he was 15+ months, all he did prior to that is socialisation in every possible scenario that can be done eg walking around town, large music festivals, industrial sites....... i am not completely retartded nor do i want my dog killed and lose my house, just saying.
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