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Question Obed heel

Hello, Just had some questions for competition people.
When you train your heel, do you have the dog flip to your side or go around you? If you have them flip, then once you
recall to front, what word do you use if you want them to go
around you to a heel?

Also, do you use another word other than heel to keep the dog by your side with no pulling out for a reg walk?

I was wanting to keep "heel" as a work obed mode word for the dog & not a normal walk word. Would that be advised?

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It doesn't matter which way you have your dog finish: flip or around. I use heel to tell my dog to heel, but, again, it doesn't matter what word you use so long as you are consistent.

Telling your dog to heel should mean in proper heel position with his complete focus on you and automatic sits. By no stretch of the imagination should you be asking your dog to heel when out for a walk. Pick whatever you want to use to tell your dog to move out for walks. I just tell mine forward.

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i'm not in competition but i taught my dog
to heel on either side with or without a leash.
i taught my dog to pass me on the right side,
go behind and stop on my left side. if i want
him to sit i tell him if not he'll stand beside me.
i use when we're walking a lot. sometimes i want
him near me depending on the situation. when he's standing
or sitting beside me if i lead off with my left leg he heels (walks
with me) if i lead off with my right leg he stays. there's no
verbal commands with the leg leads.
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Hello, Just had some questions for competition people.
When you train your heel, do you have the dog flip to your side or go around you? If you have them flip, then once you
recall to front, what word do you use if you want them to go
around you to a heel? I teach both finishes and use different commands for each. I use "around" for going behind me and "get close" for the left finish. I also use "swing" for the flip finish with the dog up in the air.

Also, do you use another word other than heel to keep the dog by your side with no pulling out for a reg walk? I use "with me" for just walking.

I was wanting to keep "heel" as a work obed mode word for the dog & not a normal walk word. Would that be advised? Yes.

Thanks much.......
I hope this helps.
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Elaine, Ok, but shouldn't you give a diff word
for the flip vs going around? That's what I'm
asking. If you say "heel", then they come flip to
side in heel positition & another word to have them
go around you to heel positition?

Just trying to see what "most" use to get dog in heel
positition, flip or around body style? If they use the flip type
heel, do they require their dog to go to that positition
from a recall?

Yes, I am trying to keep when I say heel as a work, obed mode
cue. I see people use this for reg dog walks, but I am
trying not to do this. I do not want pullers on a lead for reg
walks & we do so, so with that, but still would like a word to
come up with so they walk nice at my side, like, heel, but hate
to use as I did not want to mess up a competition focus heel.
Hope this makes sense & hoping more will chime in please &
give tips that works for them.

Thanks...

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I don't train a competition heel, but you definitely don't want "heel" to mean more than one thing, your criteria for the command should always be consistent or your dog is going to be confused and not know what you want. So I would use a different command for a loose leash walk, as others have suggested. I use "let's go".

Heel is a position, not how the dog gets into that position. But if you're going to train two different finishes, I'd keep the one you use most as your heel command, and use a different one for the other finish.

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I should mention this is to be used in Schutzhund
obed & also may apply to AKC rally someday.

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Thanks Debbie. 8) Trying to stay consistent is my main goal! I seen heel used both ways, flip or around. Was told you get a better, straighter sit with the around method. Plus on a recall to front & a heel compand from the front, thinking this may be hard to preform if I teach the filp way?

I was just really curious with those that train & compete, which way they see used more often & method they use?

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Also, on reg walks with the lets go, this is what I have used also, do you require the dog to be at your side?

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I only do the flip finish because it's easier to teach, looks better, and you usually get a straighter finish. I don't do the around finish at all. If I were going to do both, I would still use heel for the flip, only because that's the one I would use more, and around for the other.

It doesn't matter where my dog is in relation to my body: when I say heel it means he has to get into heel position. So this means from a front I say heel to get him into position.

I never tell my dogs to heel when out for a walk and most of them walk out in front of me. If I need them to come in closer for a short leash, then I'll just call their name and say here. They slow down and I'll shorten the leash for whatever reason I need to do that. When I'm done with the short leash, I'll say ok and they go back to whereever they want to be.

If you are thinking about SchH, then raise your standards and go for AKC obedience and not rally.

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