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And by the way, one of the reasons I didn't continue training with our PREVIOUS trainer was the fact that she was into positive reinforcement almost exclusively. Other than saying 'No,' there was no other correction. I don't think she specialised in powerful breeds either.

I'm one of the people who can get physical when training my GSD. Some people are opposed to it, some others are the same, doesn't matter. Every person has their own method.

By all means I use the Cesar Millan kick on my dog when he's on leash and it DOES work when the timing is correct and the force is too. But my previous trainer disagreed firmly, while the current trainer says he does use that method too on his Dobe.
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And by the way, one of the reasons I didn't continue training with our PREVIOUS trainer was the fact that she was into positive reinforcement almost exclusively. Other than saying 'No,' there was no other correction. I don't think she specialised in powerful breeds either.


I'm one of the people who can get physical when training my GSD. Some people are opposed to it, some others are the same, doesn't matter. Every person has their own method.

By all means I use the Cesar Millan kick on my dog when he's on leash and it DOES work when the timing is correct and the force is too. But my previous trainer disagreed firmly, while the current trainer says he does use that method too on his Dobe.

Did I read that correct? You KICK your dog...? I don't understand why that would ever be necessary.

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The point I was making was to make it clear the first time that you find a behavior unacceptable. Doesn’t matter what the behavior is. If you issue nagging corrections, or correct in a way that the dog doesn’t respond to, the dog has a choice to make. “Can I deal with this and still do what I want?” If the correction doesn’t mean anything to your dog, why would they stop the behavior? I try to make things very black and white with my dogs. Verbal markers for good and bad behaviors. Appropriate corrections when needed (the type of correction varies greatly from dog to dog... some only need verbal corrections, others wouldn’t respond to that). Tons of engagement as often as possible.

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Did I read that correct? You KICK your dog...? I don't understand why that would ever be necessary.
I am certainly not a fan of Cesar Milan, but this isn’t an actual “kick”. It’s more a tap with the foot. It’s an attention grabber, one that tons of people have been using since way before anyone had ever heard of Cesar Milan.

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I skimmed and just picked a couple of things here to respond to, but taking into account that you're young and don't have kids of your own. and that it looks like you have a good idea that consistency is important. I'd look at applying consistency a little differently for now. I'd try to be consistent with shaping some indifference to people with him, all people. Everyone, not just kids. Let them all just be part of the environment around him, and kind of remove his trying to figure out who's going to pet him, who isn't. Does he like it or not like it.

Get rid of all that by keeping him out and active, but use a little bit of distance, just enough to let him be aware of everyone, but not close enough that he's thinking about how to act with them. Maybe its 10 yards now, or 50. Whatever he needs. For right now, don't have anyone pet him. Think about what you think you're doing with the little CM move. You can interrupt with a no or a pop with the leash. Something you have to remember with getting physical,with everything really, not just force. What do you do when that doesn't work? What are you going to do if he ignores your foot? Don't directly associate pain with your body parts like that. For every dog that will accept it, there's another one that's either going to avoid you or bite you.

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Did I read that correct? You KICK your dog...? I don't understand why that would ever be necessary.
I am certainly not a fan of Cesar Milan, but this isn’t an actual “kick”. It’s more a tap with the foot. It’s an attention grabber, one that tons of people have been using since way before anyone had ever heard of Cesar Milan.
Yeah no thanks I've never had to resort to that with my dogs, and ive had a pretty hard headed working line at one point. Leashes get across a point just fine. Also who's to say your kick is the same as Mcgloomys? What if you are a pretty big guy and what you think is just a tap bruised the dog instead? Shepherds are brilliant and work to please, mine have always done best when I offer them training methods based on respect.

Well said like always Steve.

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Yeah no thanks I've never had to resort to that with my dogs, and ive had a pretty hard headed working line at one point. Leashes get across a point just fine. Also who's to say your kick is the same as Mcgloomys? What if you are a pretty big guy and what you think is just a tap bruised the dog instead? Shepherds are brilliant and work to please, mine have always done best when I offer them training methods based on respect.

Well said like always Steve.
I don’t use it, just pointing out it’s not an actual kick. It’s been turned into a gimmick, just like everything else CM promotes.

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@GypsyGhost 'If you issue nagging corrections, or correct in a way that the dog doesn’t respond to, the dog has a choice to make.' this is very true. It's one of the things I learnt from our previous training with our new dog trainer. He said to find a correction that will make my dog uncomfortable enough to not wanna behave the same after the correction.

Thank you for explaining to @GandalfTheShepherd

Gandalf, like I said, everyone has a different training method. Your method works on your dog but doesn't necessarily work on mine. And yes, I use the kick, and it works on my dog. I know my dog best and I certainly know that kick causes no harm on him physically, but it does work mentally.
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@stevestorm I'm definitely going to start training him as you said, let the surroundings just be surroundings to him and have him ignore. One of the people here suggested to obedience train near a children's playground, which I think is a great idea to train him to ignore and reduce reaction. Thanks, Steve. Appreciate it
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Wow! You are pretty much describing Hero. I wish I have a solution for you but Im myself looking for one. Hero is 18 months old. I'm taking him to a Animal Behavior specialist "yes, those exist". Like I said before I'm more and less in the same predicament. The difference is that this past summer my neighborhood bloomed with kids, my dog is not to sure what's happening and he gets excited, but who would let their child come close to a 89 pound GSD with a really deep , loud bark. Well, I'll see what this specialist have to say about my boy, or if is just me not knowing how to read my dog. Good Luck. JEss
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