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post #1 of 60 (permalink) Old 03-16-2018, 04:37 PM Thread Starter
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Teaching down

How do I train my dog to respond to a “down” command without having to use a treat to lure him into position? As soon as I start lowering the treat to get him into the correct down position he complies immediately.
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Is there a reason you don't want to lure him? Or are you asking how to progress to not needing the lure?

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I’m asking how to progress without needing the lure.
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Luring with treats is for puppies. With an older dog, just stop luring or asking and start expecting/commanding...treating for compliance is fine. But your dog only learns what you teach him. If you've only had him lay down by luring him with treats, he'd be a fool not to hold out for that LOL!

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The general idea is command before lure so he downs ahead of the lure, then you can fade it. Don't rush to it though. I like to do a lot of reps with only the lure at a quick pace and moving around, not being static. At some point he'll start going into downs on his own, offering it. That's when I add the command. The best visual on it, or technique I like the best is Ivan's treat chasing. Personally I think its fine with a dog or puppy. That's one of the benefits of motivation training, you can start it and do things over a lot.

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Luring with treats is for puppies. With an older dog, just stop luring or asking and start expecting/commanding...treating for compliance is fine. But your dog only learns what you teach him. If you've only had him lay down by luring him with treats, he'd be a fool not to hold out for that LOL!
I think you should rephrase that: Luring with treats is when you start teaching a command, be it a puppy or older dog.
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I think you should rephrase that: Luring with treats is when you start teaching a command, be it a puppy or older dog.
Okay, I suppose that's true... No harm in a little luring with an older dog who is learning a new command. But I personally wouldn't use that approach beyond the first time or two, and then would switch to rewarding compliance. With a puppy they're learning body awareness and control and communication all at once, so luring, even without commands, is a great way to help them master those things. And that's why I said that the way I did, to me luring is more of a repetitive body awareness and control learning via muscle memory kind of thing...and with a small puppy I like to continue that for a much longer timeframe, before introducing a command word for that action. But even then once the puppy has shown he understands, I stop the luring pretty quickly, and switch to rewarding compliance...

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Okay, I suppose that's true... No harm in a little luring with an older dog who is learning a new command. But I personally wouldn't use that approach beyond the first time or two, and then would switch to rewarding compliance. With a puppy they're learning body awareness and control and communication all at once, so luring, even without commands, is a great way to help them master those things. And that's why I said that the way I did, to me luring is more of a repetitive body awareness and control learning via muscle memory kind of thing...and with a small puppy I like to continue that for a much longer timeframe, before introducing a command word for that action. But even then once the puppy has shown he understands, I stop the luring pretty quickly, and switch to rewarding compliance...
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It can take hundreds of repetitions over a period of time to teach and reinforce a task so it’s proofed.
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