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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 07-16-2016, 09:36 PM Thread Starter
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Help with Forced Hold

Hello,

Seeking advice to progress the forced hold command. I am using a PVC pipe to start the training.


My dog has really picked up on biting the PVC pipe. As soon as he bites it, he looks for the reward and drops it. He has no problem biting it, he just immediately drops it and looks for the reward.

Any tips on increasing the duration of the hold. Thanks in advance.

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I gently hold the muzzle shut for a second or two to start, then slowly increase time.

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I'd change a couple of things first, before you worry about duration. I'd put it in his mouth, not let him take it and then out him. Its all about doing what you say. If he drops it, you would correct him when its out of his mouth, put it back in and calmly praise.
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Thanks for the advice. We had a mini-session this morning outside. Got some work to do. He was more interested in playing than training. Going to start in the house this time with no distractions.
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First off how old is your dog?
If he is in that 5 to 7 month old range he may still have a sore mouth from teething and you may need to hold off a bit more.

PVC is hard for some dogs to hold and will make the process of teaching hold much a much harder process. My suggestion would be to use a paint roller to start with. Not sure why but for some reason a lot of dogs just like to carry them and it helps in teaching a new concept when it's something they enjoy doing. As a gun dog trainer a solid hold and delivery to hand is pivotal in my training. If you have a dog that takes the object willingly then I'm not one to muddy the waters trying to place the object myself unless I'm correcting the hold and its position. I'll post a link to a little fun hold session with a Cocker Spaniel that I did. It may help. Also placing the dog on a elevated surface always seems to help with focus.
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If your looking to do an IPO style retrieve, its a little different because of what is judged. As much as possible you want the grip on a hard object maintained. The idea of the pvc or wood isn't to let them hold something they like. Its to show them you will hold something you don't like. When you add all the control and remember where the retrieves are in a routine, even in motivational retrieves, the hold has to be mandatory. He needs to know all through the 3 retrieves to hold something that's not comfortable.

Some dogs end up liking the dumbell as much as any other toy, but hold is taught differently for this then you would do it with a hunt style retrieve and softer mouthed dogs.
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If your looking to do an IPO style retrieve, its a little different because of what is judged. As much as possible you want the grip on a hard object maintained. The idea of the pvc or wood isn't to let them hold something they like. Its to show them you will hold something you don't like. When you add all the control and remember where the retrieves are in a routine, even in motivational retrieves, the hold has to be mandatory. He needs to know all through the 3 retrieves to hold something that's not comfortable.

Some dogs end up liking the dumbell as much as any other toy, but hold is taught differently for this then you would do it with a hunt style retrieve and softer mouthed dogs.

I think you may have missed my point.
The op is trying to teach his dog hold. I understand what will be used in testing will be different, but right now he is teaching a concept not training a discipline. Once hold is established training with PVC will become much easier.

Trial and test dogs in the hunt world are very much judged on hold and delivery as well as carry. No dog likes to carry a rank test bird that's blowing out feathers but hold, delivery and carry must all be correct none the less.

If the PVC is an added distraction from learning the concept remove it and come back to it once the concept is established.
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Thanks for all of the advice. Dog is almost 2 years. I am looking for IPO style, but not planning on competing with this dog. Maybe my next dog(my first GSD).
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post #10 of 18 (permalink) Old 07-17-2016, 09:27 PM
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But its not just a concept though Clay. It is a discipline. The object matters. Its not the same.
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