Need to build a BULLETPROOF sit/stay--down/stay - German Shepherd Dog Forums
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 11-16-2011, 03:00 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
FlowersGSD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 100
Unhappy Need to build a BULLETPROOF sit/stay--down/stay

just had Ben neutered. he has an abdominal incision due to a retained testicle they never found....off do do ultrasounds later i suppose...GRR--anyway-i posted a while back that we were rejected at one clinic due to his fearful reactivity. not aggression per se but definitely not seeing me as someone he has to listen to under those circumstances. so they said " not today go get him a muzzle."

so we went to a different clinic-one he is used to and has a vet who used to have a working line female from the same breeder. He was "obnoxious" to use her words when he was dropped off for the surgery and he needed to be sedated today to accept a muzzle and repair a popped stitch.
well, this vet whom i respect read me the riot act.
"you need to train this dog! a police dog will tear a criminal up but will not bite the policeman or anyone else he is not supposed to bite." She said i needed to contact the breeder for some training(the breeder is a schutzhund champion/trainer) ...
i tried to explain that Ben is well behaved at home with clients that come to my home. we have a tightly controlled routine. no barking, go to your place , down stay.
but in the last couple weeks he showed agression(not snarling growling--but more like barking straining at the leash male chest out i am the boss here who are you?.
last week i made a date with a girl who works at the vet we went to today and we worked for about 2 hrs on both of our dogs approching each other and me turning and sayin "let's go" everytime ben got excited. at the end of 2 hours we were able to walk together as two couples side by side and at the end they were able to be friendly and calm with each other-tho we didnt let them off the leash.
I called my breeder and told her about all of this and she said basically to get him to be able to tolerate the vets by going there a lot and just sitting there or hanging out and leaving. with aggression to other dogs she said i need to build my sit/stays with exposure to dogs very frequently getting to the point where he will obey that when a dog passes by.
SO SORRY THIS IS SO LOOOONG!!
but i really have been trying to take my responsibilities as an owner seriously(we finished 2 classes with the breeder as well.) i work with him every day. he doesnt get his food unless he maintains eye contact, same with getting in and out of cars. i go out doors first. i do beleive in NILIF training.
so how long and how much training for a bulletproof sit/stay down/stay?? i am not a cop, i am just a person but i want that type of obedience for these situations. like if a vet needs to take out a stitch or whatever. the vet said "from what i see--the relationship between the two of you is like two friends. you need to be the dominant one here. " She had a point-he was not listening to me because of his panic. no matter- i need to train for those types of situations...
feeling demoralized right now...sorry.
thanks
FlowersGSD is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 11-16-2011, 03:08 PM
Moderator
 
JakodaCD OA's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Old Lyme, CT USA
Posts: 21,382
your dog isn't the only who doesn't like the vets office or has a hissy when they try to do something to them..Sure MANY tolerate the vet's office's fine, but don't think your alone in having one who doesnt.

Masi is PETRIFIED of my vet, she will sit in the waiting room for hours, no problem, goes with the techs, no problem, even sit in the exam room no problem, as soon as the vet walks in, forgetaboutit...she is the first dog I've EVER had to muzzle with my vet, I do it for both of their's safety..I know she's 'afraid' but she tolerates things much better with a muzzle on.

As to the other issues your having,,I would continue to meet up with your vet tech friend and work your dogs together..I would also get BACK into training classes with your breeder if you can..it's work work work, train train train, and patience patience patience

Diane
Ozzie vom Kleinen Hain
Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi
Tranquillo's Kizzy
Jakoda's Kholee
"Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC
"Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT
"Angel" Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC
"Angel" Jakoda's Jagged Edge
JakodaCD OA is offline  
post #3 of 8 (permalink) Old 11-16-2011, 03:27 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: California, US
Posts: 5,928
And don't feel bad about your relationship with your dog - some others have the same problem with their dogs. (Like me!)

I have a 4yo male GSD about whom the behaviorist once told me "That is the most self confident dog of any breed that she had ever encountered". And our ScH trainer told me almost the same thing as you were told - "he figures that you (me) is his friend not his owner" and "he is not afraid of you, with little or no respect".

The relationship CAN be changed if you work at it!

Ours has definetly done so, to both of our benefit!
codmaster is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 8 (permalink) Old 11-16-2011, 03:29 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
FlowersGSD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 100
also how do i keep this cone on his head without destroying the house?? the vet said "absolutely not" to the BiteNot collar i purchased. "not unless you want him in here again for more chewed stitches" (the collar was fitted to loosely it seems but i still think he can get to them.)
i sure hope we dont have to go in for another testicle! breeder says 30-60 days for the testosterone to go down.
Other than behavior change is there a blood test to check for testosterone levels that prove the gonads are gone?? seems like there should be!!
FlowersGSD is offline  
post #5 of 8 (permalink) Old 11-16-2011, 03:30 PM
Knighted Member
 
kiya's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Long Island
Posts: 3,334
You just need to keep working on him. Training is an on going process, specially when you have issues. Lakota is the first dog that I have had a problem at the vet with. Now when we pull up she doesn't want to get out of the truck. She shakes like a leaf, if someone tries to hold her she starts flipping out to get away. My vet said "you really have to bring her here more". Personally I've been trying to stay away from the vets office.
Keep learning about training and behavior. Go to classes & exercise, exercise, exercise.
How old is your dog?

Carolyn
Lakota - WGSD 1/13/10
Wolfen - WGSD 12/31/14
Bull -WGSD 2-10-10
💔
Apache - Shiloh Shepherd 12/15/02 - 6/9/15
Kiya - Shiloh Shepherd 5/15/04 -12/19/25
kiya is offline  
post #6 of 8 (permalink) Old 11-16-2011, 04:59 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
FlowersGSD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 100
How old is your dog?[/QUOTE]



he is exactly a year old

wondering if anyone knows if there is a lab test for testosterone that can ascertain that there is not another testicle in the abdomen? i know ultrasound is used but i was just curious as to whether there is a blood concentration % for intact (one or more testicles ) vs non intact(monorchid with one testicle removed. the vet didnt know.
FlowersGSD is offline  
post #7 of 8 (permalink) Old 12-19-2011, 10:02 PM
Junior Member
 
shell nyc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: NYC
Posts: 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlowersGSD View Post
How old is your dog?


Quote:
he is exactly a year old

wondering if anyone knows if there is a lab test for testosterone that can ascertain that there is not another testicle in the abdomen? i know ultrasound is used but i was just curious as to whether there is a blood concentration % for intact (one or more testicles ) vs non intact(monorchid with one testicle removed. the vet didnt know.
Here’s a link with a lot of information on monorchid, cryptorchid vs unilaterally neutered males. I definitely learned something reading through this article!
shell nyc is offline  
post #8 of 8 (permalink) Old 12-19-2011, 10:06 PM
Crowned Member
 
Emoore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 10,134
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlowersGSD View Post
also how do i keep this cone on his head without destroying the house??
Get a soft cone like this one:



I picked it up at PetCo.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- 6 years

At the Bridge:
Cash Adopted 2007 - 7/28/2010
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Rocky 4/19/2002 - 1/16/2015 to DM
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Emoore is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the German Shepherd Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome