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Teaching the random down.

Any tips on how to teach this would be helpful.

Marshall has a nice heel and I would like to teach him this when the weather gets warmer...lol.

FYI...we still walk / hike in the winter but training outside is much more rare!

I'm thinking I need to get him out of the habit of sitting and then plopping down first. I don't always use 'sit' before 'down', but he seems to park his lazy butt first anyway! lol

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Re: Teaching the random down.

What's a "random" down?
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Re: Teaching the random down.

I think you are talking about the sphinx down where the dog folds into a down from a stand.

The little vid clip shows a puppy being lured into this from a stand. The hands with food push straight into the dog and then downward at the chest toward the ground. The dog's rear slides back in this movement. It may take some trial and error to get him to do at first.

http://leerburg.com/playem.htm?name=flv/8-6-09-news.flv


I train this indoors. It doesn't take much space to do.

A random down is just a down you ask for at random. There is no prescription for how it is done but rather that the dog wll down when asked in a variety of situations or positions from or by handler.

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Re: Teaching the random down.

If he knows "stand" you can do drills of sit/down/stand in random order to make sure he understands every position from every other position. When I start teaching a new puppy these skills I initially use a lure like Samba suggests, for the first few tries only, then I get the food out of that hand and the lure motion becomes the hand signal. I reward from the other hand. Finally, I give the verbal cue, wait a second or two and then use the hand signal as a reminder. The verbal cue becomes a predictor for the hand signal that they already know and is associated with the behavior. Gradually I wait longer and longer (giving them time to figure it out) before I use the hand signal, and only if necessary.

In Halo's Puppy 2 class we were tested doing a sequence of sit/down/sit/stand/down/stand both with a verbal cue only and with a hand signal only to show proficiency with all 3 positions from each other position. Certain ones were definitely easier to teach than the others, so when we practiced I spent the most time on the harder ones. In your case that would be down from a stand rather than a sit. For me it was sit from a down rather than a stand. But you want to work on all the positions so he can't just assume what's coming next and do it before you ask for it, you want to be unpredictable.

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Re: Teaching the random down.

Thanks guys! I'm going to have to get out the food again! We do 90% of training now with just a tug toy...which is a lot of fun. Don't worry though...he'll still love the turkey dogs I'm sure!

In addition to knowing the positions independent of the order...

It's when the dog goes into a 'down' right out of a heel, and you keep walking on without stopping. I may be missing something there but I believe that's the basic idea. I don't do competitions but I believe it's a competition type of exercise.

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Re: Teaching the random down.

That's the down in motion.

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Re: Teaching the random down.

Oh, that is a down out of motion or a moving down.

Either way, you will still need to teach the sphinx down first.

Thank goodness Cassidy's Mom is so good at verbalizing the progression of training. I am too lazy and a bad typist!!

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Re: Teaching the random down.

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Originally Posted By: Cassidys MomThat's the down in motion.
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That's the name I was looking for. Gotta crawl before you can walk...start with the down out of a stand. Should be easy enough to do indoors. Is there an easy way to lure so I can force his lazy butt not to hit the ground first...i.e. go straight from a stand to a down?

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Originally Posted By: SambaThank goodness Cassidy's Mom is so good at verbalizing the progression of training.
I've had a lot of recent practice, so it's all very fresh in my mind, lol!

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Re: Teaching the random down.

Christian, I've played around with the down in motion with Halo, but it's still definitely a work in process and I have no idea I'm even going about it the best way, so I'll leave it up to others with more experience to describe how to train it.

But I would think that getting him to drop into an immediate down from standing position, particularly when he's at your side in heel position, would be an obvious first step before you even thing about the motion. Since he's already doing down from a sit and you want to discourage that, I would completely leave that out when doing drills, so you're only having him do stand/sit/stand and stand/down/stand sequences with maybe the occasional sit from a down tossed in for variety if you want. And mix it up so maybe it's sit/stand/down/stand/down/sit, that kind of thing. If he sits before going down, don't reward it.

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