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How do you get a dog to heel like that?

With his head pointing straight up (almost backward!) instead of 45 degree up that I see with most dogs heeling? Is this a malinois thing?

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Re: How do you get a dog to heel like that?

looks like a Lipizaner(sp) stalion! LOL I was amazed at the spin when she turned.

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Re: How do you get a dog to heel like that?

Food lure in the left hand. Then once the dog habitually holds his head in that position, the food and hand are faded out.

There's actually a video online, I think done by Mohnweise kennel but I could be mistaken on that, that shows many steps of teaching that style of heeling this way, starting with very young pups.


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Re: How do you get a dog to heel like that?

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So you want to hold the food directly right above the dog's head and then just drill that position into his muscle memory?

Question: once you fade out the hand, what is the dog looking at? Where does his gaze go? From that extreme upright head position, is the dog still looking at the handler's face? I can't imagine he can catch a good glimpse from that angle. Or do you teach it to look at somewhere in front of the face?
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Re: How do you get a dog to heel like that?

It makes for a nice collected gait which makes the front light and encourages prancing, like the Lippizaner Stallions that Betsy mentioned.

Personally, I don't like the look of it, the dog seems robotic. I think (just my musings - don't have anything to base this on), it helps to counteract the tendency for dogs to crowd the handler that is often seen in the eye-contact training type heel. Granted, I have very little experience, but haven't had any issues teaching my dogs the eye-contact heeling without the crowding (Gryff is still a work in progress - but he is getting it - I just never allow any crowding or forging, and reward quickly the right position).

I'm wondering if this head-up heeling is a fad? Or weather it will be the new standard upon which all correct heeling will be based?

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Re: How do you get a dog to heel like that?

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Sorry, but I could only guess at the answers to your questions, so I won't even try. I do not teach heeling this way. I just happen to know the general method through which it is done. I'll see if I can find the video online tomorrow and that may answer your questions.

Personally, I don't like this style of heeling. I find it stylized to the point of not only being exceedingly impractical, but robotic. Yeah, I know it's the new hot thing to do at competition level, and while the dog's movement is nice and on the surface it certainly appears as if dog and handler are working in harmony, to me there is no two-way communication or connection between dog and handler in that sort of heeling... only a dog going through the paces he was taught. I want my dog either looking at me, or keeping watch of his surroundings, depending on the situation. But I don't ever want him just staring off into space.


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Re: How do you get a dog to heel like that?

Deliver the reward directly over the dog's head in the "heeling lane" after you have spent the foundation time creating the behavior.
That particular dog is more forged than I would desire.

Look at Lary, pretty dogger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzIjMhZQa3Y

I don't mind heads up, stylized heeling but I am a heeling nut. I have never gotten one to be this extreme though!

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Re: How do you get a dog to heel like that?

It is Mohnwiese. Click on training on the left in the menu, select English and then free heeling.

http://www.grammozis.de/

I also think though that a certain amount has to do with conformation. Some dogs naturally likes to heel head up. Some dogs seem to prefer to turn their head in. Some dogs are more able to drop their butt to lift the front legs, others seem more like trotting horses....

Claudia Romard featured free heeling as well, but her dog does turn his head in. This video of Clip shows some gorgeous heeling.

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Re: How do you get a dog to heel like that?

Quite impressive for show...but...personally, I think it's completely impractical and a little stupid. My dog keeps her head aligned with her body, perhaps a little lower than most folks, but not with her nose to the ground. She is very perceptive of my movements using her peripheral vision. We try to keep things practical.

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Re: How do you get a dog to heel like that?

Yeah, its for show. My dogs have other commands for different positions regarding how close to me and how attentive I expect them to be in various situations.

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