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how to teach dog to get objects and bring them??

not to sure how to go about teaching my gsd to get things for me off the ground and bring them.

my dog is obediance trained and knows how to do all the basics like heel,come,sit,stay,go to a down, and a few more..... she is very easy to teach, i am the one who needs to be taught on what to do to make her learn to get things for me so that im not confusing her.

the reason i am wanting to add this command to her others is because i broke my foot and am haveing a hard time of getting things on the floor

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Re: how to teach dog to get objects and bring them??

"Bring it" is the command I use.

Can you 'send' your dog to a spot? Does she know Take It?




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If you want a dog that is consistent with retrieving, you really need to teach a structured retrieve (starting with the very basics and working from there). Most GSDs have a natural retrieve instinct, which helps, but if you just do a play retrieve it doesn't really teach the dog to bring you things consistently when asked.

There are different methods for teaching a structured retrieve. Many old-style trainers still use an ear pinch (forced retrieve). I've found that there is a better method, a more motivational method, that doesn't involve much force. I use it on both my GSDs and my chows successfully.

The first step is to teach your dog to focus on an item. You need to choose an item that is NOT a toy for your dog. A training dumbbell is good, or you can just use a piece of doweling or 1x1" wood - you just need a specific item that is not viewed as a toy so that the dog learns the difference between play time and work time.

Once you get your item, you are going to teach her to look at it. Yep, that's the first step - simply to acknowledge the item by looking at it. Put her on a leash (you can be sitting down, that's easiest for this part of the training anyhow, and you can sit on her leash to free up your hands) and have some good treats with you. Since she knows how to sit, you might ask her to sit in front of you to help with keeping her a bit more focused. Now, hold the training item out slightly to your right (in your right hand) and look at the item. Keeping YOUR eyes on the item will help her understand that she needs to look at it. She probably won't look at it right away, but keep a smile on your face and continue to gaze at the item. If she doesn't glance at it after 15 seconds or so, you might bounce it slightly or change it to the other hand. As SOON as she glances at it (the tiniest of glances, even if she looks away again) you mark that behavior with a happy "YESS!!" and then give her a treat.

Let her finish her treat, ask her to sit again and repeat the exercise. While your eyes should be on the item, watch her with your peripheral vision so that you can see the exact micro-second that she glances at the item, and say "YESS!!" immediately when she does. The timing of the "YESS!" is vital - it needs to be right when she does the proper behavior - and the praise and treat can follow that even if she's stopped looking at the item. The "YESS!" marks the proper behavior.

Pretty soon she should be deliberately glancing at the item, once she figures out that looking at it gets her the reward. You want her to consistently glance at it regardless of where you hold it - to the left, the right, above her head, below her head. Plan on this taking several sessions spread out over a couple of days, at least. Each dog is different, but if your timing is good it shouldn't take too long.

Once she's consistently looking at the item when you hold it out, you want to make her escalate that behavior. Set her up for the session as normal, do one mark/reward for glancing at it, and then hold the item out again. This time when she glances at it, you do NOTHING. You stay silent and remain looking at the item. What you want now is to have her either glance at it again (requiring TWO glances or a sustained look) or to make a movement toward it (which many dogs will do at this point). You've raised the criteria and are now expecting a bit more of a reaction, and by withholding the "YESS!" when she first looks at it, you're pushing her into trying something more in order to earn the reward. Her slight frustration at not getting a reward will make her escalate her behavior. When she does the second glance, or holds her gaze on the item, or moves slightly toward it, mark that new behavior with "YESS!" and continue to practice that behavior so that it becomes consistent.

The next step is to get her to move toward it consistently, then when that's well established she needs to mouth it. Each of these steps can be accomplished by withholding the "YESS!" and waiting for her to try something new. Once she's mouthing it consistently, she needs to hold it a tiny bit, and then hold it more, etc. Once she's holding it, you can add in a "hold" word if you want.

Once she's understanding hold, and will willingly take an item from your hand and hold it for you, you start to lower the item down toward the floor. At first you may only be able to go an inch or two below chin level, but gradually you work it until you have it on the floor (with your hand still on it) and she'll pick it up and hold it for you. Then you have to wean your hand out of the picture, which can be difficult for some dogs. Set the item on the floor and lift your hand just an inch away at first, and gradually move your hand farther and farther up. If you try to go too fast, she'll stop working for you (because she's confused and doesn't have a solid enough previous step established). Go back and make sure each step is solid before moving on.

If you can do 3-4 short sessions (maybe 4-6 repetitions per session) per day, you will probably see some fairly quick progress. But take your time on each step - even if she seems to pick it up immediately, you really do need to make sure the basics are solid or later on she will probably crumble due to not truly understanding the exercise.

Once she's picking up the item for you, you can start changing out that item with other things. You may need to back up at first and do a quick reward for looking at it, touching it, etc. (because when you add in a different item, you completely change the exercise for your dog). Eventually she will understand that your "take it" command means anything you indicate, but at first she will associate the commands with the training item and will have to learn how to move past that.

My dogs have been a lot of help for me when I've been laid up and unable to do things. My chow (who is also my working Service Dog) brings me a number of things, including clothing, shoes, books (small ones), box of crackers, things I drop (from pens to papers, even a calcium tablet I dropped one day). She was taught with this method.

Good luck, and if you take the time to train this right you will always be pleased with the results!

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Re: how to teach dog to get objects and bring them??

We use "Bring <object> Here" or "Go get your <object>".

Don't really recall how we taught Thor but think we would tell him then walk over to the object and praise him when he picked it up.

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Re: how to teach dog to get objects and bring them??

Thank you so much for taking the time to type this up--I started trying this with Robin this morning. He's four months old. Using a block of wood, he seemed to figure out fairly quickly that looking at it got him a treat. Then, as I was grabbing another handful of treats, he nosed the block of wood, so I went ahead and said Yea! and treated him. He seemed a little surprised, and went back to just looking at the wood when I did, but I didn't say Yea.

After another minute or so, he nosed it again, and I treated and said Yea! After that, he probably nosed it twenty times. Every few times I moved the piece of wood higher, or lower, or to another hand or side of my body. Robin had a great expression on his face, as he'd nose the wood, half looking at me. I could almost see the gears of his brain turning!

We'll work on it some more later today. Thanks again!
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Re: how to teach dog to get objects and bring them??

Here is an excellent video that demonstrates the basic technique that Melanie describes. This dog picks up an object that she's never seen before and delivers it to her owner in one session lasting just over 3 minutes, by free shaping the behavior (not giving the dog any verbal cues at all) with a clicker. But this is a dog who has been clicker trained for a while, so she's used to being rewarding for trying stuff until something finally works. A dog that has never been trained this way would obviously take longer.

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Ashley, I'm so glad to hear you gave this a try and had such great success! I LOVE seeing the dogs suddenly go "ah HA!" as they figure it out .. *L* .. this type of training also teaches the dogs to think as they have to work out what exactly needs to be done in order to earn the treat. It's so different from the old styles of training where dogs were forced into doing things and weren't expected to use their brains.

I wish I wasn't on dial-up and could view the video! Dogs that are already clicker-trained (which is basically the same concept as saying "YESS!" to mark the behavior, but you use a click instead) willingly try to figure out new behaviors. It's fun to see them work on it, offering different behaviors until they come across the one that their handler wants. Going through the retrieving steps above will help a dog learn to offer behaviors, too, as they are encouraged to escalate their behaviors and try something new. Some dogs will start offering behaviors they already know (like a down, or a spin, or a bark) but you just smile through those and don't mark/reward them, and the dog tries something else.

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Re: how to teach dog to get objects and bring them??

Some dogs will start offering behaviors they already know (like a down, or a spin, or a bark) but you just smile through those and don't mark/reward them, and the dog tries something else.


Yeah, Robin did exactly this--he did a down, then a sit, then a down, then as a last resort, sniffed the wood and got a reward! It was like he couldn't figure out why that was such a big deal, but he did it anyway.

We went at it again this afternoon, having changed the object to a lighter, floppier old wallet. He sniffed and I clicked and treated til the cows came home. I waited to see if he'd try another behavior, like picking it up, but we aren't there yet. It is so much fun to watch the cause and effect. Oh, and the YouTube video is terrific.
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Re: how to teach dog to get objects and bring them??

I'm excited to see this thread since I have the possibility of finding it difficult to bend down/over when my hips are hurting.



It's funny the timing, I was just thinking last week I needed to figure out how to teach Dante to retrieve stuff for me!!

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Great thread!!! Great info!!!

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