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post #11 of 25 (permalink) Old 06-11-2018, 08:26 PM
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Aly, SNAP tests are IDEXX's (I think they hold the SNAP trademark for in-clinic tests). IDEXX claims they provide reference-lab quality results -- their page has links to papers on them:

https://www.idexx.com/en/veterinary/...4dx-plus-test/


I've not had to treat Lyme since we don't have it, but I've done a lot of month-long rounds of Doxy for HW. Most dogs tolerate it very well. FWIW, you can order it from Wedgwood Compounding Pharmacy in NJ in any dose you want, in a chicken-flavored wafer, at a much lower cost than filling it at a regular pharmacy. For example, if your dog needs 200 mg per dose twice daily, your vet can order you a wafer that's 400 mg, so you can easily give half in the AM and half in the PM. Your vet has to call them -- I think a month's supply costs in the neighborhood of $35 per dog. The 400 mg "quad tabs" are scored in quarters to make them very easy to cut. They also make chew treats with up to 350 mg. each. It's SO much easier than fooling with lots of little 100mg capsules!

https://www.wedgewoodpetrx.com/veterinary-practices/
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Who is Dr. O, @Jax08?
The vet that teaches at Cornell who has access to the Lyme's researcher and latest info.

My understanding of Lyme's is that the Doxy kills part of the spirochetes but the remaining form cysts to "hide" from the abx. When the body is under stress, the cysts will burst.

Many people I know have had success with a combination of western medicine and herbals.




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@Magwart, thanks for the info on the SNAP test --- don't know how I missed those tabs. Thanks too for the info about the compounding pharmacy in NJ. Did a little survey of local prices for doxy early this AM and was appalled. Woke me right up.

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Thanks @Jax08! Off to hunt him/her down...

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Who is Dr. O, @Jax08?
The vet that teaches at Cornell who has access to the Lyme's researcher and latest info.

My understanding of Lyme's is that the Doxy kills part of the spirochetes but the remaining form cysts to "hide" from the abx. When the body is under stress, the cysts will burst.

Many people I know have had success with a combination of western medicine and herbals.




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Hello! So m ch information out there in regards to Lyme and they all conflict. Which makes it hard to figure out what's best.

I am a registered vet tech in the D.C. Area and here are my thoughts.

If she is not clinical, do the C6. Get an actuL number. It can generally tell if you are dealing with an active infection. If the number shows an active infection, but she is subclinical,don't treat, but retest with another C6 in 3-4 weeks. If the numbers go down, good. Your pup is fighting it off. If they stay the save or rise, treat with Doxy fir 30 days.

This is the treatment my internal medicine Dr recommended when my vet(a cardiologist) dog tested positive on the snap.

His dog was normal on the retest. So no treatment.

I don't like to mess with Lyme. I have personally seen dogs from Lyme induced kidney failure. But I think that you can use what is available to see if treatment is needed.

As for holistic vets, I know a few in MoCo MD. Let me know if that's not too far for you. Also my favorite vet in the world works for a great practice in DC and she is awesome with GSD. So if you want a second opinion let me know.
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Are those people medical professionals? I would be interested in the studies if they are out there. Dr. O vaccinates after the infection is inactive because there are studies showing the vaccine helps kill off any spirochetes hiding and helps prevents an active flare up. But that was a few years ago and it's ever changing.
It's dry reading (pour yourself a cup of coffee before digging in) but this is something worth a read. I don't think it's black and white, and it doesn't provide yes/no, but it is based on research.

Look below Table 1. OspA / etc.

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OspA is in all vaccine types
# OspA is proinflammatory
# OspA sensitizes
# OspA in human chronic Lyme arthritis
# OspA in Lyme nephropathy
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OspA was found in the renal cortex of dogs with Lyme nephropathy

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This is an older clinical study that you might find interesting and somewhat helpful if you haven't read it already. https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/181/3/1069/908787

This is just food for thought. I would ask to have further testing done now to verify if it is an active infection before starting the antibiotic course. or at least have the blood drawn and sent and then start the course. This way, while on the course of antibiotics, at least you will know for certain during the course if it is an active infection.

It's just a thought and it won't leave you wondering with what ifs.

My boy has come up positive/active and we've done the Doxy course also.
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Hello! So m ch information out there in regards to Lyme and they all conflict. Which makes it hard to figure out what's best.
Boy is that ever the truth! Thanks, @gsdsar, for your thoughts and the suggested protocol. I'll be talking to my vet tomorrow, so will go over that option with him. MoCo is 20 minutes from me, so yes please send on those names! And, I would like the name of the terrific vet that you mentioned. Thanks again.

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Thanks @WIBackpacker and @Heartandsoul for the additional articles. Logging off to wade through tonight's reading.

You guys are a wonderful resource!



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