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Weight loss no illness...HELP

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I am close to a nervous breakdown over my boy Logan. He is currently 18 months old and weighs around 30kg.
My issue is that at 10 months he weighed just under 34kg and was enjoying steady weight gain and then it just stopped and he started to drop back to his current weight. A few small increases but he would then continue to slide back.
He looks skinny and the vet says he is underweight and obviously he is obviously over 10% lighter than 8 months ago.
He has been on many foods over this time...grain free and not but all transitioned over a week or so and initially he will have a few days of harder poop and then looser again. Any large increase in food results in loose stools and he starts to lose weight again.
He has been through months of blood and fecal tests all show negative. He was given worming tablets just to be sure and tested for epi and sibo and gardia as I requested these from reading this forum...all negative.
He has now been on an exclusion diet for three weeks on nearly double his daily intake and again initially his poop firmed and weight stayed static but is slowly dropping again. His poop is either flat on one side or like sandy textured splats when not firm. It is always brown but it is almost cyclical in going hard to softer to splats and back to firm.
I don't know what else to do I just want him to gain weight back and look healthier...as a note he is always hungry and started growling at the cat at feed times and yawns a lot. He is always full of energy though and that has never changed....Please Help.
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He was on Royal Canin Maxi Junior for the first ten months but started scratching a lot so switched to Wainwrights grain free turkey on suggestion of allergies. That was subsidized through this at variou times with grain free soft foods...raw minces for dogs...various canned foods. He was tried on chappie dry and wet foods as somebody suggested these and was put on Hills prescription for digestion by vet but that only turned his poop yellow and no firmness or weight gain...for his exclusion diet which he has been on for nearly four weeks he is on Fishmongers Finest which is just salmon and potato.
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I can also add he is fed three times a day with his daily allowance spread between the three as he can be a fast eater. He gets at least two hours off lead exercise a day at the beach in the morning and at a woods in the evening. His previous food before the science was Applaws which is 70% chicken which again was suggested.
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Have you tried pro-biotics and digestive enzymes?

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You said "months of blood and fecal testing"

But was he tested for the EPI?




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I suggest joining the epi site, it's not just for epi dogs. THey have tons of info on epi, sibo, ibd, low b12, etc. If you tell your story there will more than likely be someone on there with the exact same experience that can give advice on what worked for them.
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Just joined...first post so sorry if I am doing this wrong.
I am close to a nervous breakdown over my boy Logan. He is currently 18 months old and weighs around 30kg.
My issue is that at 10 months he weighed just under 34kg and was enjoying steady weight gain and then it just stopped and he started to drop back to his current weight. A few small increases but he would then continue to slide back.
He looks skinny and the vet says he is underweight and obviously he is obviously over 10% lighter than 8 months ago.
He has been on many foods over this time...grain free and not but all transitioned over a week or so and initially he will have a few days of harder poop and then looser again. Any large increase in food results in loose stools and he starts to lose weight again.
He has been through months of blood and fecal tests all show negative. He was given worming tablets just to be sure and tested for epi and sibo and gardia as I requested these from reading this forum...all negative.
He has now been on an exclusion diet for three weeks on nearly double his daily intake and again initially his poop firmed and weight stayed static but is slowly dropping again. His poop is either flat on one side or like sandy textured splats when not firm. It is always brown but it is almost cyclical in going hard to softer to splats and back to firm.
I don't know what else to do I just want him to gain weight back and look healthier...as a note he is always hungry and started growling at the cat at feed times and yawns a lot. He is always full of energy though and that has never changed....Please Help.
Possibly a protein sensitivity. Try avoiding the common pet food proteins. IE: chicken, turkey, venison, fish and lamb. maybe try limited ingredient food that is rabbit or duck based.

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Thanks for replies...he has been tested for EPI twice last time about a month ago. Been on exclusion for a month this week so booked vet again for next steps/advice. They want to test his kidneys not sure why and considering scan for partially blockage or something. Desperate now.
Haven't tried digestive enzymes yet but he was on probiotic tablets which seemed to make no difference.
Thank you Springbrz...after vet we will look at new food with Rabbit as main as he has never had that before...definately worth a try for new protein source.
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Hi Malebranche and WELCOME!

Castlemaid mentioned Digestive Enzymes and Pro-Biotics, which I too believes he needs. Here are some from i-herb which ships internationally.

Digestive Enzymes:
Mercola: Dr. Mercola, Digestive Enzymes, for Pets, 5.26 oz (150 g) - iHerb.com

Now: Now Foods, Super Enzymes, 180 Capsules - iHerb.com You may be able to purchase NOW products from a local health food store?

Pro-biotics:
Mercola: Dr. Mercola, Digestive Enzymes, for Pets, 5.26 oz (150 g) - iHerb.com

Garden Of Life: Garden of Life, RAW Probiotics, Ultimate Care, 30 Veggie Caps - iHerb.com


Just a note of warning....if you get a product made for humans, do not purchase any type of "chewable" as it may contain sweetener's that are harmful to pets.

You can also look into "Green Tripe" for a digestion aide. Some on this blog have found it to be VERY helpful for their dogs. The Stink On Tripe | Dogs Naturally Magazine and The Benefits of Feeding Your Dog Green Tripe - Spotless Dog Wash


I found these raw suppliers on a post and they are all from the UK. Thought maybe you could find a different protein source as Springbrz mentioned. Some have green tripe.

raw pet supplies - Home

laverstoke park - For Your Pet - Organic | Food For Pets | For Your Pet | Laverstoke Park Farm

walnut pet supplies - https://www.walnutpetsupplies.co.uk/...-dog-food.html

the natural pet pantry - Natural Pet Food Shop in Gosport

Canine Divine. Natural and raw food for dogs and cats | Natures Menu free delivery on orders over £10.00

Pets Plus at Henry Street Garden Centre, *Arborfield, Reading, RG2 9JY

team ilbrey - http://teamilbreyanimalservices.webs...ordersheet.htm

they love it - they love it dog food raw barf minced chicken for dogs

west fife raw foods - https://www.facebook.com/WestFifeRawFeeds

manifold valley meats - http://www.manifoldvalleymeats.co.uk...diet-products/
(If anyone is on FB and within the Midlands area (to be clarified) Check out

http://www.facebook.com/groups/479385695425522/ - MVM

Nixon's Farm Shop in Heald Green.

Organic Chicken, Turkey & Free Range Chicken | Springfield Poutlry, Herefordshire

nhd - NHDNaturallyHealthyDogs - Home - pick up only

Home - Raw food supplier for Wirral and Merseyside

martins meats - http://www.martinsmeats.com/Locally-...d-pet-food.php

Perfect pet food - Barf Pet Food | Pet Foods Raw Dog Food, Cat Food & Pet Health Supplements

Landywoods - Landywood Pet Foods : Price List - most of the country covered for delivery but not in scotland

raw2paw - Home - Raw2Paw MVM supplier

The dogs dinner - The Dogs Dinner - T.P.M.S. Pet Food Specialists - delivery within the south of england

Durham animal feeds - DAF Petfood country wide delivery

prize choice - Natural Frozen Pet Foods - Prize Choice - The Natural Food for Healthy Animals - nationwide delivery excluding a few areas

berrie wood - Dog Food, Pet Food and Pet Accessories - Berriewood Pet Supplies - select postcodes see Ordering Information - Berriewood Pet Supplies

Dog food company - Suppliers of Dog Food | Supplying Pet Food in Central and Southern England - southern and central england delivery (except london)

Knight pet supplies - Raw Pet Food in Birmingham : Knight Pet Supplies Ltd - delivery in birmingham areas only

albion - Albion Meat Products | Quality Pet Food - southern, central england delivery

natural instinct - Natural Instinct - Home - mainland uk shipping

darling's - Real, Raw, Organic Dog Food Supplier - Questions - mainland shipping

Linc's pets - supplied by DAF - Lincs pets - various areas, nottingham, linconshire, derby, humber etc

Nurturing by nature - Bones & Treats

Basils dog food - Reuben Hosting

Wolf tucker - Adult BARF raw dog food in the WolfTucker CANIS, PRIMAL and SUSTAIN brands. - Local deliveries to Chichester area and also country wide
Available from - Mark Elliott and Associates vets
Madam Green Buisiness Park,
Oving, Chichester,
West Sussex, PO20 2DD.
01243 779111 www.markelliott.co.uk

team ilbrey k9 partners - Lancing, West Sussex, they deliver along the south coast and to Portsmouth ferry for customers on the Isle of Wight. No delivery charges
mobile pet foods - Mobile Pet Foods Ltd > Frozen Food

bulmer pet food - Bulmer Pet Food

hungry hound - Raw Dog Food From Hungry Hounds Pet Supplies, Falkirk, Scotland

hungry hound fb page - https://www.facebook.com/HungryHoundsPetSupplies

canine meals on wheels - Home

hatties raw 4 dogs - Hatties Raw 4 Dogs Ltd

raw menu - Raw Menu - Raw Dog Food, BARF minced dog food diets and supplements, supply and manufacturer.

nutriment - Nutriment

laverstoke park - http://www.laverstokepark.co.uk/for-...rder=2&size=20

natural selections - Natural Selections

davids doggies dinners - Davids Doggie Dinners, BARF diet, Raw Dog Food Suppliers; sittingbourne Kent me10 2sx,

Good Luck with your Fur Baby! I hope he turns a corner soon!

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