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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-22-2008, 06:22 PM Thread Starter
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Is this a sable German show line? (same dog both pics)




How about this one?


Is this dog a sable or a black and tan/red? (same dog both pics)





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Re: Color questions

First one I can't tell. He looks more like a black/red than sable. I bet if you found his sire and dam you'd know for sure.

This guy:

is definately sable.

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Re: Color questions

Well, the first guy's sire is Timo:

who is definately a sable. So I guess checking parentage isn't helpful at all in this case! Unless, of course, Timo is homozygous for sable. Then all his offspring would be sable too. Which they're not. So. . .I still don't know without pulling a hair from that first dog's coat.

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Re: Color questions

Yes, sable show line with either more intensity than his sire OR a photog that increased the contrast on the photo

Here is his sire
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/20964.html

Here is the showline male's ped
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/133576.html

The first dog appears to almost have a blanket back pattern.....some sables will even have a saddle pattern like this American Select Alvin
http://blcardis.com/joelle/alvin.asp


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Re: Color questions


http://www.margman.ee/?id=3&keel=ee
Headshot of Margman Torsten, the first dog posted. Looks sable to me. I love to see showline sables! And this guy is just gorgeous. What a face.

The dog doing the B&H and the retrieve over A-Frame is a toughie. Looks like a very nice black and tan but I'm probably wrong on that.

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Re: Color questions

Kindasorta OT, but man, Torsten's a beauty and a half! Check out some of his progeny:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/472198.html
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/420619.html
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/448615.html (VERY dark face)
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/420618.html
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/495569.html
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/495558.html

I guess there's no question now, Torsten's a sable. And man, does he ever reproduce color/pigment well. All of you know I'm not a showline fan, but this guy's got me regardless.

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Re: Color questions

Looking at his headshot, I'd definately agree Torsten's a sable. Why didn't I think to look for more photos of him? Eh well.

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post #8 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-24-2008, 11:24 PM
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Re: Color questions

Maybe someone could clue me in on what the difference is between mixed black coat versus a sable? I was thinking sables were mostly black.

My puppy is black on top with a black/off-white underbelly and cream/tan face markings and legs.
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Re: Color questions

You're describing classic black & tan saddle markings.

Sable is two different pigment colors on the same hair shaft--light at one end of the hair and dark at the other.

There are both light and dark sable dogs.

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Re: Color questions

Well I'll be. I never knew it was possible to have a single hair shaft with two colors on it. That's weird.
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