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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 07-29-2014, 07:49 AM Thread Starter
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Sables from two blck and tan?

Hello, got my GSD from official breeders.... And when they had they first and only offspring so far... This came out:
2 fair sables
3 blacks
3 black and tan or similar (because one was a little greyish where the tan should have been)

Please check my pics, since I don´t know how to upload them in this post!!

Of course i´m positive about my male being the father, since I saw them when they got stuck and no other dog broke in.

Sorry about my english, I´m from Argentina!
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post #2 of 32 (permalink) Old 07-29-2014, 07:54 AM
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There is another thread going on, that read that unless you have one sable parent there is no possibility that 2 black/tans can produce a sable.. Litters can have multiple sires, so maybe she was bred by another and the litter has a couple of sires?

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Thanks for your reply, but no, it cannot be possible, I live in the middle of nothing, no more dogs around here.... and my house is all closed.... I read something about pattern sables? Could my bitch be one? she´s got a weird back, the black is mixed with some bi color hairs (black root with a cream color tip). I heard some sables have that characteristic, even if they look sometimes like a regular black and tan?
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Can you post their pedigrees?
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Can you post their pedigrees?
Yes!!
Manny de los Bubas
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I uploaded the pics on the database, they were 5 o 6 months old back then, now they´re 2 years old. You may see more pics on my album!
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Could one of the black and tans actually have been a patterned sable?

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Could one of the black and tans actually have been a patterned sable?
Did you check out my album?
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can you post a link to the album...I can't find it....

one HAS to be a patterned sable or the litter has more than one sire...only way you got sable or black pups

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well the pedigrees you provided are WGSL's , black and red/tan -- the pictures of the sire and dam you provided are both black and tan , so by colour genetics you have no possibility of sable because that is a dominant gene meaning either one of the parents must BE sable . Be sable , not just have it somewhere in the background.

Either you are assessing the puppies incorrectly or you did have a visitor .

You can always send DNA for a colour gene check .
VetGen: Veterinary Genetic Services - Canine - List of Services - Coat Color

to remove all question on sire have a paternity test done on the strangely coloured pups http://www.vetdnacenter.com/canine.html (which apparently has expanded its services to colour testing )

You can't identify the sire IF it is indeed a different dog than you expect , but you can rule out that your stud is not the sire , exclude him from paternity , if that is the case.

post a picture of the pups if you can.

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