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Color genetics questions

I'm wondering what the color outcome possibilities of a black & tan female with a sable male would be?

Female parents are black & tan with 3 black & tan grandparents and 1 solid black.

Male parents are father solid black, mother sable. 2 sable grandparents 2 black & tan.

Would at least 1 black puppy be likely?
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I'm wondering what the color outcome possibilities of a black & tan female with a sable male would be?

Female parents are black & tan with 3 black & tan grandparents and 1 solid black.

Male parents are father solid black, mother sable. 2 sable grandparents 2 black & tan.

Would at least 1 black puppy be likely?
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One of my males, the mother was b/t the father a very dark sable who carried the black factor.

I got a very very dark melanistic bi color. The litter was a split/ 2 b/t's/2 sables/2 bi's

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One of my males, the mother was b/t the father a very dark sable who carried the black factor.

I got a very very dark melanistic bi color. The litter was a split/ 2 b/t's/2 sables/2 bi's
One of the parents has to carry the bicolor....it doesn't appear with breeding black to b&t or sable.

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The father of my pup's litter was sable. The mother was a blanket b&t. The litter consisted of 4 blacks (2 male, 2 female), 3 sable (2 male, 1 female) and 1 male black and tan. One of the grandparents was black.

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How does sable work? A sable female (both her parents are also sable) was bred to my black and red male (both his parents are black and red). There were 8 dark sable puppies (4 males, 4 females) and 2 black and tan/red (both female) puppies. Does the male have to carry sable or does that make sense? I've never really thought much about color genetics since it didn't matter to us. We wanted rich color/pigment but did not care whether it was sable or black and tan/red.
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I'm curious about how the sable color or more coloring patterns work in the GSD as a whole I read the genetic chart but it didn't make much sense to me. I know how to breed the hounds towards a specific color scheme and not lose the brindle in their coats but if you don't breed the lighter colored dogs in every so often they will begin to come up a solid color which is a fault conformation wise. Looking at my girls parents and the gene code chart she should not have turned out the coloring she is unless I missed something
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Sable is dominant -- at least one parent has to be sable for there to be sable puppies. Black and tan is recessive to sable. Recessive genes such as black or black and tan can be hidden by the dominant gene for generations.

With Liesje's litter, although the dam is sable with two sable parents, you would need to look further back to find the black and tan recessive.
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