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post #1 of 35 (permalink) Old 07-22-2013, 02:00 AM Thread Starter
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Litter with anomalies. Need advice.

We're in the process of purchasing a Gsd puppy for the first time.
Found the perfect breeder, truly could not be more highly recommended.

Litter: 3 females, 5 males.

Problem: 2 deceased male puppies, with a 3rd male that could either way. And, we're purchasing a male. All the females are fat, feisty and perfect.

1st pup had megaesophogus complications, died around 5 weeks.
2nd pup had a heart murmur, found in seizure. Died yesterday @ 7 weeks.
3rd pup has Persistant Right Aortic Arch (PRAA). Breeder is bringing him in for surgery next week, seems to be thriving & doing well for now.

Questions:
* Are there any tests we should have done prior to taking our pup home to ensure he doesn't have an undiscovered genetic issue?

* Anyone have experience owning a Gsd with PRAA? Outcome? Long term issues? Developmental delays? Physical restrictions?

* Any other advice/ things to look for when purchasing a male out of this litter?


Again, this isn't a bad breeder deal. She's responsible, honest, & HIGHLY respected within the gsd community. This is the first breeding for both mom/dad. Dad is a champion. Dogs from this litter will receive limited AKC papers because of the genetic Problems. Due to the issues, she's requiring all pups spayed/neutered & the parents will also be fixed. I'd use/recommend her in the future without hesitation.

Experienced thoughts/advice?
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post #2 of 35 (permalink) Old 07-22-2013, 04:01 AM
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Yikes! If you're still getting a pup I would get pet insurance and make sure congenital aliments are covered in your plan but hopefully you will never need it! Good luck

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honestly, I would ask her to transfer my deposit to another litter.
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We're in the process of purchasing a Gsd puppy for the first time.
Found the perfect breeder, truly could not be more highly recommended.


Again, this isn't a bad breeder deal. She's responsible, honest, & HIGHLY respected within the gsd community. This is the first breeding for both mom/dad. Dad is a champion. Dogs from this litter will receive limited AKC papers because of the genetic Problems. Due to the issues, she's requiring all pups spayed/neutered & the parents will also be fixed. I'd use/recommend her in the future without hesitation.

Experienced thoughts/advice?
All depends on what your intentions are for the dog. As a show dog I would pass since it already has a high mortality rate in the litter, but if the pup is a family, loyal pet type of dog then I would get her or him to a vet for a thorough check up with the understanding if they find any issues the dog is returnable for another pup from a different litter. If no congenital issues are found then I would take her home and wait till her first heat or later to get her spayed. If it is a male I would try to wait till the dog was full grown around the age of two before I got him neutered. Just my thoughts for a possibly genetically flawed animal that should not be in the show ring but working or being a big old dumb pet. Hope this helps.

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I am going to guess that insurance coverage is not going to be likely for a pup that already had surgery for a congenital deformity............It is scary enough going home with a healthy pup from a robust litter....I don't know enough about it to know if other issues can be linked to this problem.

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I can't answer how the others will turn out, obviously no one can.

Honestly, I would be very wary of taking a pup from this litter..One puppy loss I wouldn't worry about, but 3,,that's to high of a risk for me..But hey, the rest could be perfectly healthy..

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Any breeder can have bad luck with a litter, but I'd be very leary of getting a pup from that litter.

There going to be a big reduction in price? That will help with the future vet bills if you go in with your eyes wide open and fingers crossed.






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I agree with Jocoyn, Jacoda and Dainerra:
Unless you have A LOT of money, time, and can take a possible heartbreak, wait and choose another litter! This one has RED FLAGS written all over it!
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I think it's great that the breeder is speutering all involved.

Persistent Right Aortic Arch (PRAA) in Dogs

I am guessing I would join the Mega-E group and see if any of them have any input. megaesophagus : Megaesophagus I would also be talking to my vet.

PRAA has good information - I know of a pup a few years ago who had this done and looks/acts/feels great. So that was a successful outcome.





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Personally I wouldn't take a puppy from the litter, bad genetics is bad genetics. I'm glad the breeder is taking responsibilty but I still wouldn't want to take a puppy unless I had a huge savings which could be put towards future health care. Health insurance can be very helpful but there are limitations and I'd hate for them to find loopholes

I would either ask for the deposit to go to another litter or see if it can be refunded and look elsewhere if the timing is wrong with the current breeder

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