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Is this dog a sable?

Is this dog a sable or a blanket black a tan? Can full, dark saddle/blanket but still be a sable? How do you know for sure what the dog is?





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Re: Is this dog a sable?

From the look of the abdomen, I say blanket B&T.
We were just discussing this today at the club I was at. Sable will be darker in the underbelly, no breaking in the color pattern.

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Re: Is this dog a sable?

whats leading you to believe he could be sable? or are you asking/clarifying for someone else?

i'd say hands down that he's a b/t blanket back... even 'patterned sable' would be too much of a stretch for me.

this is as close to a 'saddle' on a sable that i've seen: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/12476.html

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Re: Is this dog a sable?

This is why we were discussing it at the club:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/434588.html
From afar I said Tobi could pass as a B & T til you ran your hands thru his coat against the grain.
He is a beautiful red sable (which I knew), and there was discussion after that about pattern,etc. Which then went into bi-color as well...

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Re: Is this dog a sable?

What'd he look like as a puppy? That's the easiest way to tell.

Based on those pictures, I'd say blanket black and tan.

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Re: Is this dog a sable?

Don't get confused between individual sable hair and a sable colored dog. Any color of GSD can have individual sable hair strands, for example, the bitch stripe on B & Ts.
Also, sable colored dogs can sometimes have a saddle pattern or a blanket pattern.
I've always wondered if the pedigree of Timo Berrekasten was accurate since he does not show any sable dogs in 7 generations or more.
Is it possible for sable to suddenly pop up after many many generations of B & Ts?
Or did a sable working line dog jump the fence while momma was in season?
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Re: Is this dog a sable?

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Originally Posted By: onyx'girlSable will be darker in the underbelly, no breaking in the color pattern.
I have never heard this before. Can you explain what you mean? I think maybe I don't understand the termanology. Bison is a sable and his belly is the lightest part of his body. You can kinda see from the color of the inside of his right knee.

As mentioned, he is a different color at the base of the fur. (if you pet him backward you can seek it)

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Re: Is this dog a sable?

Timo was stunning! But, yeah, how'd that happen...

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Re: Is this dog a sable?

The belly can still be lighter, but you'll see the banding in the guardhair thruout, not a solid type light hair. I tend to look at the neck coloring too. Sables usually have that lighter collar area but not always & striping down the center of the neck.

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Re: Is this dog a sable?

Yes, the belly hair is still two-toned, just very light. He has a very distinctive color line. Thanks for explaining. I am still learning all the termanology.

OP, sorry for the interruption.

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