Originally Posted by LoboFloppyEars
Idk if I'd agree on the GSD and stubborn claim. An Instagram of a highly trained GSD mentioned on how they are a strong minded stubborn breed. Apparently the same is said about Rottweilers.
Most of the "stubborn" GSDs out there suffer from a poor, inexperienced, inconsistent trainer. A lot of times a dog that is shutting down is called stubborn. GSDs don't want to do the wrong thing, so if you are giving them conflicting signals, they may sit there and look at you, like you've lost your mind. Or they will look away, because that's a calming signal and you are getting more and more frustrated with him.
German Shepherds are intelligent and have excellent memories. If you went crazy on him for breaking a stay for instance, they can develop a kind of block. And you might have to re-start with a different word and method. But that is not stubborn. If German Shepherds are affected by stubbornness, it is usually the trainer who is stubbornly trying to train the dog a certain way because that is what they did with some other dog and it worked, or because that is what some yayhoo that has never met the dog has told him the dog needs. Too many GSD trainers suffer from being stubborn.
And if enough people mention the trait, a trainer will parrot it, however highly regarded. I mean, a trainer can say that they have had much success with stubborn GSDs, and lots of people with dogs they consider stubborn, will believe that he is the right dude for them. If lots of people believe GSDs are stubborn, and a trainer is out there saying, "No, GSDs are biddible and fairly easy to train" a lot of people are going to keep looking for the trainer that takes them seriously. And, right, a trainer's job is to sell himself to you. If I know, and he knows the problem is in the handler and not the handled, then his services might not be purchased. Because most people don't think they
need help, they think the dog needs help.
Ah well. I love my dogs. They teach me so much.