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Ok, someone somehow tell me whhat is this mysterious breed we arent supposed to talk about?? Killin me here!
what mysterious breed - must be missing something

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please notice that not one of the real working herding dog is in the ASL's revered "flying trot" side gait --
note the variety of movements ---
note the moderate , balanced conformation - not a one extreme --- note the top lines - strong backs
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please notice that not one of the real working herding dog is in the ASL's revered "flying trot" side gait --
note the variety of movements ---
note the moderate , balanced conformation - not a one extreme --- note the top lines - strong backs
I 'note"-iced haha

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post #114 of 178 (permalink) Old 05-19-2017, 12:22 PM
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So my big question here is if certain supposedly desirable traits are anti productive to the dogs ability to work at the job it was originally created for, and the breed standard is there to give guidelines to help the breed retain its original purpose, then how the heck are all these things that are anti productive being considered acceptable?? I mean, I understand if the breeds purpose changes over time and the standard changes to reflect that, but all these " specialty gsd " being bred to be great at specific purposes rather than being the all around utility dog they are supposed to be, should they be considered separate breeds or should the standard be changed or what?
I have a special interest in this side of things per my old bullmastiffs....the current standard breeds dogs that are not as well suited for the original purpose of poacher hunting, but better for being a guardian of house and land. Not chasing down armed men in the woods......
With the gsd even a small amount of looking around one sees dogs that may as well be separate breeds. I personally was looking for an all around utility dog when last went looking for a pup. Not an easy search. Everyone screams breed standard like its holy, but how is breeding dogs that have so much prey drive without the head to contain that drive, any better than breeding gsds that are larger than standard, but more suited to guarding a small piece of property. The former seems to be accepted practice, but the latter is a sin?
If youre gonna start separating a breed into subsets that are better at certain things than the other subsets, where does it stop? Or when do these dogs get called separate breeds?
Curious as to what the very knowledgeable on here would like to see happen with these things.
This thread is on open mindedness, and with this breed I see alot people shouting about the standard, yet breeding dogs that may as well be different breeds.
A gsd is not a gsd is not a gsd. Lol
And if the gsd is not primarily being used as a living fence anymore, should we even be clinging to a standard to retain dogs to perform a job no longer being done?
For me personally i think that with all these different types of gsd at this point its a free for all and thats fine if everyone can find a type of gsd that fits their purpose. To each his own. Open minded. .....as long as someone is retaining a core of dogs that that still perform the original purpose to draw from. The real deal as it were.
I am most interested in what experienced breeders think should happen......
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I have always been told that the gsd is supposed to be good at everything but great at nothing. If this helps to understand where I'm coming from with this
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The whole standard still means something to some of us, but personal likes, ribbons, trophies, and misconceptions occupy a higher value to many breeders today than the breed standard.
Close minded views are a big part of maintaining selective specialties in the breed.....it is what it is.
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raisedbyshepherds makes some good points - many which I have discussed , 3 separate breed designation

those looking for a specific trait will know where to find it -- the law enforcement / working group doesn't look to ASL's - because the rate of finding one for those purposes is slim to none -- go to where you will be most successful and even then you have to work at it

looking for a dog to compete in SV Zuchtshau ? you know where to find it -- certainly not working or the ASL

looking for a big ASL winner -- look to this grouping
the breeders tend to stay within their own group

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", any better than breeding gsds that are larger than standard, but more suited to guarding a small piece of property"

these tend to hail from the pet-market breeders -- and the protection element is reduced --

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See so many people owning gsds say its not what they expected. Their fault for not doing proper research, but most people just dont realize there are several types....and the dogs suffer for it. Sad to see.... Its almost like a standard doesnt really exist..
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See so many people owning gsds say its not what they expected. Their fault for not doing proper research, but most people just dont realize there are several types....and the dogs suffer for it. Sad to see.... Its almost like a standard doesnt really exist..
Oh, a standard exists. Very few attempt to follow it. Even the most basic things like hips and elbows, not to mention conformation, working ability or temperament.
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I spoke with her to get a picture of her feisty Schipperke to get a picture for Bailiff - got one but don't know how to post it

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