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post #1 of 55 (permalink) Old 04-24-2017, 05:07 PM Thread Starter
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A thought I have, no dog is perfect.

Everyone admires a well trained dog. People are quick to criticize a dog for its faults, breed, the owner, or sometimes just the dog itself. They say train your dog or get a better dog. However there is a problem, training a dog is a lot of work and depending on the dog can be expensive.

I recently saw this video of Leeburg Enterprises about the truth of Positive Training and I completely agreed with it. It is a scam and a lie pushed by animal activists and corporations like Petsmart and Petco as the proper and politically correct way to train a dog. For reasons unknown to science, people like to be politically correct which is weird because I take pride in being politically incorrect. The guy explained about how you train to a dog's temperament and the drives this dog has.

That's where the problem started with me. I fell for that scam. For most of the time I've had Lobo I trained with Positive Training. Positive training only works with Lobo in low distraction environments and when it comes to teaching him tricks. It doesn't work when he's either highly aroused, distracted, and/or is presented with a high value reward that he isn't supposed to get (i. e. Squirrel, cat, rabbit, littered meat and food). Got him a prong collar and it has as a matter of fact made him more obedient, next I need to get him an E Collar as he is the kind of dog who needs these type of tools. He needs these tools as he is the type of dog who is easily distracted, has high prey and defensive drives, and will ignore handler commands when presented with a high value reward that he's not supposed to ontain. Yet that is what the animal activists don't understand. They think we have to baby our dogs to death and accept their faults.

Lots of people criticize Lobo and my use of prong collars. I haven't been able to obtain an E Collar yet but I imagine I'll get judged harshly when I get one. Yet what they don't realize is that the prong collar has made him more obedient and less likely to lunge at squirrels and cats. Some people even just criticize him for the way he is. He's very defensive, sometimes overprotective, very high prey driven, not reliable off leash, and sometimes dog aggressive. He was also a stray and as much as I try to help him and some of the progress I've seen since the prong collar, his wild side comes out at times.

That's where the main idea of this thread comes in. No dog is perfect. There is no way we can expose our dog to be ready for any kind of challenge and situation in this world. Sometimes money is an issue. I saw a video of a $100,000 trained protection dog being introduced to horses struggle to figure out his way around walking besides a horse. This dog is near perfect in almost all scenarios but struggled in this specific scenario. Baron the German Shepherd is one of my favorites, but this dog struggles to swim and can't roll over. Strange for a dog who knows how to load a dishwasher, but once again he's not perfect. Saw a video of a trained service dog in a zoo break character and start to pull away from its handler when a lion was preying on it.

Sometimes even our dogs surprise us, they will do something both good or bad that we didn't expect. I recently took Lobo hiking in a nearby state park. In usual Lobo fashion he was aloof around all people who passed by including joggers. Several joggers ran by us, yet Lobo surprised me and not in a good way. One specific jogger, Lobo lunged at, growling and snarling too. And I have no idea why he did it. Maybe it was because my back was turned and I was focused on something that caught my attention, but in any form it was unexpected and unacceptable. It appears Lobo misjudged the situation. Lobo thankfully didn't land any teeth on the jogger but it was all around a scary situation.

Some people will get a GSD, a Rottie, or a Dobie thinking it will be the ultimate family protection dog and not realizing the hazards that come with owning one. These dogs have stronger defensive anf protection drives and this is both a good and a bad thing. On one side these dogs make it less likely you get robbed or burglarized, but on another side they can be a liability. There are stories out there where one of these dogs have misjudged a situation and for whatever reason attacked a member of a family. Well trained or poorly socialized there is only so much we can do to expose these dogs to situations. A dog isn't programmed to know the difference between a man wrapping his arms around his female owner for affection versus wrapping his hands around the female owner in a kidnapping attempt.

And this is where you wonder, is it always the owner's or the dog's fault?

I'm running out of thoughts here so let me just conclude with no dog is perfect. There is only so much we can do and expose our dogs to.
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Wait, what? On whom or what was the lion preying?

I would absolutely expect a dog to break if there was a lion preying situation afoot.
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And neither is any human, that's the beauty of it all.
As for Lobo. How old is he? I wasn't patient enough with my pup at a young age and went to aversives that weren't understood by my pup when she was younger at the advice of a so called expert trainer Lisa Maze Be patient and consistent with positive reward. You'll have a better relationship with your dog and he'll become more confident and trusting. When he gets older, understands what you want and is willfully disobedient, that's the time for aversives.
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And neither is any human, that's the beauty of it all.
As for Lobo. How old is he? I wasn't patient enough with my pup at a young age and went to aversives that weren't understood by my pup when she was younger at the advice of a so called expert trainer Lisa Maze Be patient and consistent with positive reward. You'll have a better relationship with your dog and he'll become more confident and trusting. When he gets older, understands what you want and is willfully disobedient, that's the time for aversives.
Lobo is 2 years old but he was about a year old when I got him.

Oh and Watery Tart, the lions were behind glass but they were staring the GSD service dog as if with intent to eat it for dinner.

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Oh and Watery Tart, the lions were behind glass but they were staring the GSD service dog as if with intent to eat it for dinner.
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Saw a video of a trained service dog in a zoo break character and start to pull away from its handler when a lion was preying on it.
and immediately envisioned a service dog going out of work mode because its rear end was suddenly inside a lion.

My mental image was way funnier than reality. Reality constantly disappoints.
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I liked your post and I understand your view. I agree, my wife and I work about 50 to 60 hours a week and sometimes on weekends. I cannot train, supervise and groom my GSD all day everyday.
I love my dog Maxwell, he isn't perfect and cant be off a leash around other dogs. But other than that he is very intelligent--he knows how to open the doors on my truck. He knows when its time for bed, and when its time to eat. He has a perfect personality and isn't biting people he doesn't know--I didn't have to train him how to behave around people very much, he's just a good natured GSD.
I think some GSD are more protective to their owners than others....some dogs will just have to be closely managed and supervised and that's the way it is sometimes. Some dogs also need professional help sometimes too. I am fortunate not to have had to go that route.

I still work with my dog at least a few minutes a day when I get home.

There are more people with dogs like yours than folks will admit.
Hope you and your dog have many years and lots of fond memories together.

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I don't know. My dog is perfect to me. Now, my gf might disagree. But it's not his fault her shoes were left out....
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I don't know. My dog is perfect to me. Now, my gf might disagree. But it's not his fault her shoes were left out....
My wife was just complaining yesterday that she still has one brand new sandal. Compliments of Athena when she was younger. She didn't even get to wear them once. She now keeps her shoes out of reach.
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My wife was just complaining yesterday that she still has one brand new sandal. Compliments of Athena when she was younger. She didn't even get to wear them once. She now keeps her shoes out of reach.

My dog when she was a puppy utterly destroyed a pair of sandals and chewed on a few others. Thankfully know she knows they are off limits, although if nobody is watching she will go and lay on them, but never chew thankfully.

I also know my dog isn't perfect but I also don't give her as much credit as she deserves. Perfection, true perfection isn't really possible. Every living thing has flaws and that's ok.
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I have to be very careful when I say that my big-boy is not perfect because of how often I say that he is just like my husband, only furry.

My sister trained Border Collies and said that she would never use a prong collar. The family was taking a hike together and my hubby unhooked the leash from big-boy's prong collar and hooked it to the martingale. "here, you walk him" he told my sis handing her the leash. Now my sister is very dog smart and is part of the agility scene. Yet she was working really hard to keep our boy from dragging her down the trail. "It's like trying to walk a horse" she said. Honestly, our big-boy wasn't really pulling that hard. I think he was smart enough to enjoy taking part in the joke. Use the tool you need to be fair and be safe. I won't judge you.
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