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Reading pedigree help for potential puppy.

Well ive been looking for breeders around my area. I found one who seems pretty good. She currently has a pup that is exactly what im looking for as far as potential size, color, sex and the right price for me. The sire and dam are said to be from east german lines. So the breeder sent me the pedigree for the parents. If someone can read it and give me thwir opinions, that be great. Thanks

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De Juco Gizmo

Dams sister Bacall Vom Benza Haus

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What does the breeder do with her dogs? THe things you listed should be low on the list of things to looks for, honestly. You should be focusing on nerve strength, balanced drives, breeder knowledge (does she work her dogs, what's his/her experience, are they just buying dogs, getting them to two years old and breeding them to make puppies, maybe doing a hip/elbow cert?) what the breeder does with their dogs to prove they are breedable, etc. I just glanced at the first pedigree and it looks like some back yard breeding. There are some good resources on here as to what to look for in an ethical breeder. This is just a glance, and some suggestions. Don't rush into getting a puppy because they are available. Nerve strength (dogs the are fearful) is a real problem in our breed and little attention is paid by a lot of breeders that aren't actually testing it in their breeding stock.

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Good DDR breeding with pedigree depth for natural tracking , hunt / search drives.
These are not obscure dogs , or a passel of back yard dogs by any means.

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What does the breeder do with her dogs? THe things you listed should be low on the list of things to looks for, honestly. You should be focusing on nerve strength, balanced drives, breeder knowledge (does she work her dogs, what's his/her experience, are they just buying dogs, getting them to two years old and breeding them to make puppies, maybe doing a hip/elbow cert?) what the breeder does with their dogs to prove they are breedable, etc. I just glanced at the first pedigree and it looks like some back yard breeding. There are some good resources on here as to what to look for in an ethical breeder. This is just a glance, and some suggestions. Don't rush into getting a puppy because they are available. Nerve strength (dogs the are fearful) is a real problem in our breed and little attention is paid by a lot of breeders that aren't actually testing it in their breeding stock.
I didnt go to in depth. As far as breeding, she said shes been breed GSD for 25 years. With this current female i believe she said she was 3 years old and this is her first litter. She said ths female ia more of a couch potato while the male is more active. I didnt ask about activities or showing that shes done with them.
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Good DDR breeding with pedigree depth for natural tracking , hunt / search drives.
These are not obscure dogs , or a passel of back yard dogs by any means.
Okay good. Thanks for the help!
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Carm are you saying this based on dogs 3 or 4 generations back, or do you know the dam and sire or grandparenst? Genuinely curious.
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The sire was from a somewhat local breeder who was producing lots of DDR line puppies some years back....just looking for heads size color....lots of stuff locally from this breeder plus 2 others they traded dogs around with.....tons of dogs locally with bad hips, EPI, eplilepsy, OCD - one buyer about 2 miles from me had 5 or 6 dogs from this group....Haus Maul was one of the other kennel names used...they pop up here and there still locally.

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The sire was from a somewhat local breeder who was producing lots of DDR line puppies some years back....just looking for heads size color....lots of stuff locally from this breeder plus 2 others they traded dogs around with.....tons of dogs locally with bad hips, EPI, eplilepsy, OCD - one buyer about 2 miles from me had 5 or 6 dogs from this group....Haus Maul was one of the other kennel names used...they pop up here and there still locally.

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I just noticed youre in PA. This breeder is in stoystown. Im thinking youre talking about the lady that is seling this pup. Should i stay away? And she did mention she traded a couple dogs for the dam lol
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Is that a normal amount of line breeding for a breeder on the male? I don't breed so wouldn't know whats better or not but this seems more than usual? Not sure I can figure this out ---> http://www.thedogplace.org/GENETICS/...ammill-098.asp

Linebreeding

Linebreeding - 5 generations Inbreeding coefficient
Father - Mother Who Wright's Hardiman's
4 - 4 V Duran vom Weidegang 00.78% 03.32%
↳5 - 5 ↳G Dsheta von den Gnitzer Höhen
4 - 4 SG Filou vom Kaolinsee 00.79% 03.32%
↳5 - 5 ↳V Bessy vom Kaolinsee
5,5 - 5 V Mentor vom Haus Iris 00.20% 02.59%
5 - 5,5 SG Condor von den Tonteichen 00.20% 02.54%

Remember no breeder bashing is allowed on this forum, but you can PM any information that you want to pass on, and good stuff can obviously be on the open part of the forum.

I also live in PA and I know I have to be super careful when looking at breeders to avoid all the puppy millers and Amish puppy mills that we have in the state. So if you are widening your search you need to be very careful to 'vet' the breeder. Make sure you talk to others with past puppies, go to see the home they are born in, see mom dog for sure and sire if he's on site.

REALLY make sure you learn most of the stuff on this link ---> https://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...ind-puppy.html and https://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...e-bad-one.html . Huge help when winding your way around to start finding the best puppy for the next 12 or so years.




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Is that a normal amount of line breeding for a breeder on the male? I don't breed so wouldn't know whats better or not but this seems more than usual? Not sure I can figure this out ---> SUCCESSFUL DOG BREEDING, LINEBREEDING, INBREEDING, OUTCROSSING

Linebreeding

Linebreeding - 5 generations Inbreeding coefficient
Father - Mother Who Wright's Hardiman's
4 - 4 V Duran vom Weidegang 00.78% 03.32%
↳5 - 5 ↳G Dsheta von den Gnitzer Höhen
4 - 4 SG Filou vom Kaolinsee 00.79% 03.32%
↳5 - 5 ↳V Bessy vom Kaolinsee
5,5 - 5 V Mentor vom Haus Iris 00.20% 02.59%
5 - 5,5 SG Condor von den Tonteichen 00.20% 02.54%

Remember no breeder bashing is allowed on this forum, but you can PM any information that you want to pass on, and good stuff can obviously be on the open part of the forum.

I also live in PA and I know I have to be super careful when looking at breeders to avoid all the puppy millers and Amish puppy mills that we have in the state. So if you are widening your search you need to be very careful to 'vet' the breeder. Make sure you talk to others with past puppies, go to see the home they are born in, see mom dog for sure and sire if he's on site.

REALLY make sure you learn most of the stuff on this link ---> https://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...ind-puppy.html and https://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...e-bad-one.html . Huge help when winding your way around to start finding the best puppy for the next 12 or so years.
What is it to 'vet' a breeder?
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