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post #1 of 102 (permalink) Old 09-30-2015, 03:58 AM Thread Starter
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Breeding for "Straight Back"

The only thing I have read here, is that breeding for straight back is a fallacy and an advertising gimick. It is a movement of what many would call "BYB" but it is for a purpose among small scale breeders. This is my girl Summer at 15 mos (female). The only comparison I could find is a mature male. Please allow for the differences in age and sex. It's the best I could find to compare.

There is a movement to breed "old fashioned" or straight back and that is what my breeder was trying to accomplish. Summer is F1 out of Hungary (WGSL) and American Bred. She started out her first 9 mos with a hump in her back. She has a sharp croup that will stay, but I just wanted to put this up here - there are attempts being made and it's not all hype - Breeding for "Straight Back"-img_8354.jpgfor straight back.
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Oh here we go again.

Stonevintage, you started a thread yourself about the shady crap your breeder pulls. Sire couldn't pass OFA and they claim he's with some sheriff's deptartment (with zero proof), if I remember correctly. You really would go as far as to claim that your dog's breeder had an agenda in mind? The dogs aren't even health tested!

And your photo is at a completely different angle than the comparison photo. The only people who use "straight back" as their buzz word selling point are the people who surround it by "super protective of their family, mellow temperament, 130lbs, old style" etc, with dogs that have never been evaluated by anyone other than themselves and will never be proven in any venue. Nevermind the entire lack of health testing. How can you promote them as breed ambassadors?

Just because you can find pictures of exaggerated showlines doesn't mean that its the entirety of the breed.

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Well,here's the first GSD.If this is the breed standard it's obvious that many of the show line breeders have deviated from this over time.the written standard says "straight back".
Yes there are some irresponsible BYB that use gimmicks to sell unhealthy dogs.There are also those that health test,title,and genuinely try to do right by our breed.
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I guess I'm confused about what about a 'straight back' makes it to be preferred? What is the purpose and how does it help the GSD work better?

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They never show the "straight backed dogs" stretched out in a stacked position either.
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I guess I'm confused about what about a 'straight back' makes it to be preferred? What is the purpose and how does it help the GSD work better?
Check out the Breed Standard forum for an article titled "An SV judge looks at the Breed standard".Lots of info and diagrams on bone structure if you're interested.

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These are pictures of the same dog. He is a typical WGSL type. No, he is not crippled. He is a family pet. We are also active in IPO and agility with rally on the side. He is SG show rated, has his BH, and is training for his AD this fall (12 mile endurance test). His prelims are OFA good hips/elbows normal - will repeat when he is 2 next month.













You can support whatever breeding practices you want, but I'll go with health tested, titled dogs (not just a CGC, which my dog has too).
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For the millionth time, "straight back" does not mean parallel to the ground. And don't compare stacked to unstacked dogs, to show a "straight back".

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I don't think anyone is criticizing anyone's dogs!The only thing I would speak against is :
1.Breeding for extremes
Examples would be a dog with a top line that appears "stacked" when he is standing naturally or grossly oversized.
2.Breeding for vanity while disregarding health,temperament, working ability.

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