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breed clubs V kennel clubs

not having ever owned a dog with papers i have never had the need to understand the roles of the various officiating oganisations, as i understand it the ones responsible for safeguarding the breed integrity is the breed clubs, the kennel clubs (eg AKC) then do what?

who do you go to if a breeder is acting unethical or inhumanely the breed club or the kennel club ... or the police???
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Breed clubs set the code of ethics for their breed and hold specialty shows for their breed like the German Shepherd Club of Canada. Some are also registries like the SV.

There are two types of kennel clubs: show holding clubs like the Westminster Kennel Club and registries like the American Kennel Club or Canadian Kennel Clubs.

If a breeder is a member of a club that has a code of ethics that they are filing you can file a complaint with them. If a breeder is not a member of any clubs then there is nothing that the breed clubs can do. A code of ethics is a contract and if there is no contract between the breeder and the club there is nothing the club can do.

If the breeder is violating the LAW then they can be reported to the appropriate law enforcement agency (police, AC).

There are no laws that say you have to have OFA x-rays or than you can't breed your female twice a year, every year for 6+ years. In these cases you can walk away and not provide the unethical breeder with financial incentive to continue their unethical ways.
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ok, seems loose but anyhoo. a breed club and a breed registry are different??
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ok, seems loose but anyhoo. a breed club and a breed registry are different??
Yes, but all have rules that must be abided by. People can be expelled from any club.

There are a couple of exceptions to your question. The American Border Collie Association is for working Border Collies and does not allow AKC Border Collies. It's a division in the breed philosophy.

There are other breed clubs whose breed is not AKC recognized at all. These club set up their own registry for their dogs. An example of this is the Biewer registry. Breed club for biewer a la pom pon dogs

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ok, gets complex, i know people that have entire agility titling competitions that are not akc sanctioned, interesting they allow akc dogs to compete and title in their comps but akc does not reciporicate ie these dogs are not allowed to title in akc??

don't know the names but have friends that do agility explained it when i was training in agility and you had to look at which events were run by who before you travelled to them.

out of curiosity was the bc (an old breed) one of the more recent dogs to get called a breed???? and the standard differs depending on what country you live in?? crazy stuff!
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My way of understanding is (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong) is Breed Clubs (such as the German Shepherd Club of America) and Registries (American Kennel Club) are two completely different entities that can and often do work together.

Most breeds have a "Breed Club", or an organization that strictly deals with that particular breed, sets the standards and focuses adheringly to that one breed. They don't deal with other breeds or variations of breeds.

Registries generally enlist many breeds, such as the American Kennel Club having 250 (I know that's not accurate) registerable breeds. They're not necessarily a breed specific organization, and look at the sport of raising purebred dogs in a whole, rather than individually. But they do, often have ties to the parent breed club, for those who want more specific and specialized instruction or information.

Both can and do hold shows, but points may not cross over, unless both organizations participate and sponsor the show.

If you suspect someone is breeding unethically, you should first find out who they're affiliated with and then report them to that organization. If there's more than just unethical practices, and dogs are suffering, then you should report them to the police.
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ok, gets complex, i know people that have entire agility titling competitions that are not akc sanctioned, interesting they allow akc dogs to compete and title in their comps but akc does not reciporicate ie these dogs are not allowed to title in akc??
Dogs that have an AKC registration number, a PAL # (unregistered purebred), or Canine Companion # (mixes) can participate in AKC Agility. PAL and CC dogs must be spayed or neutered. FCI registered dogs visiting from foreign countries can also compete.

UKC has an agility program with similar registration rules, UKC registered, or Limited Privilege# dogs may compete. LP dogs must be spayed or neutered.

Other agility venues CPE, NADAC, DOCNA, USDAA are not registries, but you buy a regstration number to track your progress.

Of course, all these venues have different agility rules, so you can't mix runs from different venues for a title in only one venue.

One interesting point is in Obedience. A dog title in UKC obedience is not considered an obedience titled dog in AKC when choosing A or B class division. But the UKC does count the AKC obedience titles when choosing class. (Same with Rally Obedience.)

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