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post #1 of 40 (permalink) Old 07-09-2010, 10:44 AM Thread Starter
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About liver/Liver Sables

Ok wasn't sure where to post this but I guess this is about as good as I can get lol. This comes from the non urgent thread about the Liver that needed a home. I did not want to post on that thread because it is a rescue thread and I just wanted to post some info on the color.

Here is the dog in question (this pic is from the forum). Who I think is a Liver Sable.




Ok She has a liver nose and no black pigments but looks Sable. Here is what I think.

I studied the genetics of Dachshunds a while back with colors/patterns and the varieties between (they have a ton more color/pattern/coat combos than any breed i Know of)
Anyway Liver is a Color and Sable is a Pattern. You can have a combination of the two that produces a Liver Sable. Of course 1 parent would Have to be sable and both parents would have to be liver carriers. (known as chocolate in Dachshunds) This is not a color/pattern combination you see a lot in either breed. Here is my liver/tan German Shepherd (my pic) his dad is solid black and his mom black/tan. There were also Solid livers in his litter. My liver/tan below.


Anyway I love the color genetics it is something I find very fascinating lol. Sorry If I put this in the wrong spot.And hope its ok I used the other pic of the forum.
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I think she would fabulous next to your liver GSD!!!!
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Well if she was closer I would grab her in a heartbeat.
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I want a liver GSD!!!! They are gorgeous, simply amazing!
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Yes, the dog is a liver sable.

The dog's color is sable. (Technically, sable is a color, not a pattern.)

Liver is a dilution of black pigment caused by a recessive set of genes located in a different spot of the genetic code from those for color (or "pattern'). It turns all black pigment, in hair and skin, to a chocolate brown color.

Yes, at least one parent had to be sable to produce sable since it is the most dominant of all of the colors, so any dog who carries a sable gene will express that sable gene and be sable. Then both parents had to carry at least one copy of the liver dilution and this dog inherited one copy from each parent. The parents didn't necessarily need to be liver, as being recessive they can carry it and not express it, though of course one may well have carried two copies and then would express it as being liver him/her self.


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I'm not so fond of the GSD, but I do LOVE the liver GSDs!
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I will say it is Extremely hard to find a liver from a reputable breeder, they are considered a fault in the breed standard. Mine came from a Byb that was more like a commercial kennel I guess they had about 50 dogs in Kennels. I did not know this until I arrived there at that point I did what your told not to do and got Kane because I felt bad for him lol. He is an awesome dog and I have not had any problems with him but he is only 1 year old so we have a long ways to go lol.
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Well if she was closer I would grab her in a heartbeat.
Maybe, somehow, you could arrange for transport on this board?
I don't know how it works or if it is just for rescues?

Just thinking out loud?
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Axl's dam is black, and his sire is liver.

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They are just too nice! This one makes me crazy!!! I want one, but I've done many searches to find someone who can breed them...but didn't find a thing.....

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