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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 01-13-2008, 07:19 PM Thread Starter
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Does Raw Food Have Adequate Nutrition For Puppies?

I have two six month old puppies, Kwazi and Ngozi. When I brought them home at nine weeks they were eating Fromm Puppy Gold. I asked my vet if I could switch them over to a raw diet since I had fed my adult dog Northwest Naturals,Chicken & Salmon and Turkey. He did very well on it and had very little "waste", which was an added plus for a 100lb dog. My boys were just diagnosed with Demodectic Mange and I researched and found out a weakened immune system causes dogs to get this. A dear friend told me that she thought the raw food may be the reason for the weakened immune systems in the the boys. Anyone have an opinion? The raw food does have added vitiamins,minerals and vegetables, it's not just raw "meat".

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Re: Does Raw Food Have Adequate Nutrition For Puppies?

i think from all i have read about raw feeding, you need to also add extra supplements. like a real good multiple vitamin, and a few other things, to make up for some things that would be contained in kibble.
it takes alot of research to make sure your dog is getting all the stuff they need when home cooking or raw feeding.


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Re: Does Raw Food Have Adequate Nutrition For Pupp

This is preprepared raw so it should have the appropriate vitamins, etc. in it. My cat eats preprepared raw (Nature's Variety) and is 15 years old and is doing amazingly well.

If the food is prepared correctly then it should have adequate nutrition. Are there any other factors that might be causing stress to their immune systems?

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Re: Does Raw Food Have Adequate Nutrition For Pupp

What you are feeding is not considered by most raw, prey model feeders a true raw diet. A weakened immune system can be caused by more than just diet. Diet most definitely can help, but if the dog is vaccinated yearly, has chemicals pumped into its body consistently, and also genetically doesn't have the best of luck..those are all factors.

A raw diet compiled of raw meaty bones as the staple (variety here not just all chicken for example), organ meats (kidneys, spleen, etc)--especially to include liver and my dogs have never been healthier. I do supplement with fish oil capsules to make up for the fact that I cannot buy pasture raised meats, so they are getting enough omega 3s in their diet. A few times a month I also give probiotics. I do give as a snack in their kongs...grain free cans by evangers or similar brands and also grain free treats. When I do this though, their stools tend to be a bit larger just because of the added stuff they are not digesting or using. A raw diet that is not properly researched or done is much worse than a good quality kibble. A person that knows what they are doing and has read up before hand won't look back. I agree and understand that raw feeding isn't for everyone, but a properly raw fed dog does not have the weakened immune system of a kibble fed dog.

If you would like to learn a bit more here are some good sites:
http://rawfeddogs.net/
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Re: Does Raw Food Have Adequate Nutrition For Pupp

Phyllis,

Laura is absolutely correct, and I would only add some muscle meat into that plan. I mix in a variety of meats including chicken, pork necks, fish (tilapia and mackeral) and venison as RMB's and ground beef, beef roasts, pork roasts, venison, ground wild game (a mixture I get from a local wild game specialist at about .80 per pound) for muscle meat and virtually any organ meat I can find mixed in with a small amount of yogurt daily. I add grand flex, salmon oil and vit E for supplements and add small amounts of fruits and steamed vegetables and raw eggs for variety. I often mix dehydrated food (Honest Kitchen) into ground muscle meat as well. Neither of my dogs have ever eaten kibble and were weaned onto goat milk and ground beef. The difference from kibble, even high quality kibble, is astounding. I switched my old male Zeus for the last year of his life and I could not believe how much it affected. Much more energy, his coat changed color and became amazingly soft and no more odors of any kind.

Don't expect your vet to acknowledge the benefits of raw feeding though. Also, don't expect them to be on board with a minimal vaccination plan either. If you find a vet that will titer instead of trying to pump up your dog with chemicals and supports raw feeding latch on and don't let go!

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Re: Does Raw Food Have Adequate Nutrition For Pupp

This is what she is feeding:

Turkey Ingredients: Ground turkey, ground turkey bones, celery, peppers, romaine lettuce, watermelon, turkey hearts, turkey livers, flaxseed, dicalcium phosphate, garlic, dried kelp, inulin, salt, potassium chloride, fish oil, parsley, apple cider vinegar, ginger, zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, mixed tocopherols (a preservative), rosemary extract, Vitamin E supplement, Vitamin D supplement
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude protein - 9.0% min
Crude fat - 5.0% min
Crude fiber - 1.5% max
Moisture - 78% max



Chicken with Salmon Ingredients: Chicken, chicken liver, salmon, ground bone, broccoli, cantaloupe, safflower oil, flaxseed, potassium chloride, dried kelp, inulin, salt, fish oil, zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, mixed tocopherols (as preservative), rosemary extract, Vitamin E supplement, Vitamin D3 supplement.
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Crude protein 13.0% min
Crude fat 13.0% min
Crude fiber 1.5% max
Moisture 65% max

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Re: Does Raw Food Have Adequate Nutrition For Pupp

Looks like good food to me. I feed a regular BARF-style raw diet, and raised two puppies on it with no problems. I don't think the food is the issue. My understanding is that minor spots of DM arent all that unusual in GSD pups as they build up their immune systems. Luca had a little spot on his face at about 6 months. Wasn't big enough to treat, and it went away by itself in about a month.

The simple answer to your question is "yes."

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Re: Does Raw Food Have Adequate Nutrition For Pupp

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Originally Posted By: LauraC I agree and understand that raw feeding isn't for everyone, but a properly raw fed dog does not have the weakened immune system of a kibble fed dog.
None of my dogs have weakened immune systems? None of them ever had mange either. Although one of my puppies from Emma's first litter did have a few spots of mange within her first year as well as rickets...she was raw fed. More than likely just an improperly fed raw diet BUT the owner was not stupid nor inexperienced and due to this and some other issues stopped feeding raw and went back to kibble. Coincidence? I don't know. I do know that my dogs have no immune problems and are enjoying good health and they are kibble fed.

Any diet/product can cause a weakened immune system in an animal if it is just not working for that animal for some reason...and there are many reasons why a diet may not be the right product for a puppy.

Maybe the OP would like to switch to another prepared raw diet and see if the situation improves? I do know I had my Sheltie on a prepared raw and was watching as he lost pigment and condition....was feeding it correctly etc....it was not working for him and he improved when put back on kibble. One thing I did notice was the low amount of copper in the prepared raw I was feeding as compared to the kibble he was eating.....not all products are created equal and their being raw, premium etc does not mean that a product cannot be lacking in something your dog may be needing. Since is it *both* of these puppies I would be more inclined to suspect diet rather than genetics even though they are related. The odds of them both having this at the same time are unusual......please keep us updated, I am finding this very interesting and would like to know how the pups make out.

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Re: Does Raw Food Have Adequate Nutrition For Pupp

How do you know you were feeding the proper raw diet? People think that feeding just a diet of all chicken quarters is balanced, for example. Raw feeders strive for balance over time, but a diet of just chicken won't do it and things are definitely lacking. Could you possibly email me or post what your feeding schedule was like on raw or a prepared diet that you said? I am curious.

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Re: Does Raw Food Have Adequate Nutrition For Pupp

Laura I was feeding my Sheltie Nature's Variety Raw Chicken patties as instructed to on the packaging of the product. This was about 3 years ago so I do not know if the product has changed.

Chicken Formula
Nature's Variety Raw Frozen Diet for Dogs and Cats

* Complete and balanced for all life stages
* 95% Chicken, raw ground bone, turkey & liver
* With wholesome fruits and vegetables
* Grain-free
* Made with human grade ingredients
* Antibiotic-free, hormone-free chicken and turkey


Fresh & Healthy Ingredients
Chicken, Raw Ground Chicken Bone, Turkey, Turkey Liver, Turkey Heart, Apples, Carrots, Butternut Squash, Ground Flaxseed, Chicken Eggs, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Dried Kelp, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Salmon Oil, Olive Oil, Blueberries, Alfalfa Sprouts, Persimmons, Duck Eggs, Pheasant Eggs, Quail Eggs, Inulin, Rosemary, Sage, Clove

Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that Nature’s Variety Chicken Formula Raw Frozen Diet provides complete and balanced nutrition for all canine life stages. Nature’s Variety Chicken Formula Raw Frozen Diet is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for All Life Stages.

Handling Guidelines for Safe Use
Please click here for important food safety handling information.

Feeding Instructions
If raw diets are fed as the sole food, feed 1-1/2% to 2% of body weight daily. For more detailed feeding information based on your pet's weight and activity level, please visit our Interactive Feeding Guide.

Sizes Available
A Taste of Raw: 1 lb (approx. 16 medallions)
Medallions: 3 lb (approx. 48 medallions)
Patties: 6 lb (12 patties)
Chubs: 2 lb single chubs, 12 lb box (contains 6 single chubs)



Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (min) 13.0%
Crude Fat (min) 6.0%
Crude Fiber (max) 2.0%
Moisture (max) 68.0%

Calories
65 per oz

Other Nutritional Information
Carbohydrates: 2.05%

Vitamins
Vitamin A: 12161.55 IU/kg
Thiamin: 1.60 mg/kg
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2): 2.39 mg/kg
Niacin (Vitamin B3): 36.54 mg/kg
Pantothenic Acid: 10.12 mg/kg
Pyridoxine (Vitamin B6): 2.02 mg/kg
Folate: 408.85 mg/kg
Vitamin B12: 0.03 mg/kg
Vitamin D: 240.00 IU/kg
Vitamin E: 9.60 IU/kg

Minerals
Calcium: 0.320%
Copper: 1.60 mg/kg
Iron: 145.04 mg/kg
Magnesium: 0.026%
Manganese: 2.40 mg/kg
Phosphorus: 0.256%
Potassium: 0.192%
Selenium: 0.127 mg/kg
Sodium: 0.067%
Zinc: 24.00 mg/kg

Amino Acids
Arginine: 0.802%
Cystine: 0.352%
Histidine: 0.322%
Isoleucine: 0.557%
Leucine: 0.867%
Lysine: 0.929%
Methionine: 0.300%
Phenylalanine: 0.467%
Threonine: 0.490%
Tyrosine: 0.375%
Tryptophan: 0.129%
Valine: 0.589%
Taurine: 0.064%

Fatty Acids
Linoleic Acid (Omega 6): 0.999%
Linolenic Acid (Omega 3): 0.249%
Arachidonic Acid: 0.115%



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