Growing too fast??? - German Shepherd Dog Forums
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-15-2010, 12:57 PM Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
stihac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 42
Growing too fast???

Hi,

Our 10week old GSD puppy is now at 24lb. In two weeks he went from 17 to 24lb. We worry that that's too fast. He isn't "chubby" as you can see his ribs etc but we worry about the weight and rapid growth. Just wonder what some of you may think about it. He's on Royal Canin Maxi Babydog 30 dry food. He gets 3/4cup 3x a day. The food has 30%protein, 22%fat, 1.8%fiber, 0.09-1.28%calcium and 461kilocalories per cup. Ideas, comments...please. Should we change food, lower the intake etc

Thanks,

Petr
stihac is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-15-2010, 01:25 PM
Knighted Member
 
roxy84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW MICHIGAN
Posts: 2,211
i wouldnt worry too much about the numbers, as long as you try to keep your pup lean. genetics are ultimately going to determine his size (as long as he is not being overfed or fed a food that ecourages fast growth).

personally, i dont like such high fat levels in a food for large breed pups, but otherwise the Ca/Ph levels in the Maxi Baby dog are in line with what you want to see.

here is a chart with average weights for gsd's, but most dogs arent going to fall right in line with those numbers, as there will be spurts and lulls in growth and different genetics are going to result in different weights at maturity. ive seen some folks try to feed their dog to try to match the numbers, and that is the biggest mistake one could make.

WEIGHT AND HEIGHT CHART FOR THE GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG

Derek

owned by:
Kimba (gsd) 5/9/07
Saby the mutt~1/15/01
Frisco (gsd) 6/21/02
Luka (feline)d.o.b.~2004
RIP-canines-Buddy, Roxy, Kujo, Kato, Pierre
felines-Chanel, Panther, TJ
roxy84 is offline  
post #3 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-15-2010, 04:30 PM Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
stihac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 42
Thanks Derek. I was looking at the fat % and was wondering if it's too high. The next stage of RC Large breed is much less at 14%, 32%protein, 1.5%fiber and 365kilocalories per cup. They /RC/ say that's for puppies from 5months up. Also at that age I was thinking to start givig him TOTW as that what we feed our other GSD.

Petr
stihac is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-15-2010, 05:05 PM
Senior Member
 
MikeB06's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: LA County, California
Posts: 473
I would feed any food that is around 24 to 26% Protein and 14 to 16% Fat. I prefer CANIDAE All Life Stage 24/14.5.

Training isn't expensive.... IT'S PRICELESS!
MikeB06 is offline  
post #5 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-15-2010, 05:39 PM
Knighted Member
 
roxy84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW MICHIGAN
Posts: 2,211
Quote:
Originally Posted by stihac View Post
Thanks Derek. I was looking at the fat % and was wondering if it's too high. The next stage of RC Large breed is much less at 14%, 32%protein, 1.5%fiber and 365kilocalories per cup. They /RC/ say that's for puppies from 5months up. Also at that age I was thinking to start givig him TOTW as that what we feed our other GSD.

Petr
TOTW varieties are all arount 2% Ca, which most feel is too high for a still growing large breed pup. if you like the idea of grainless, Orijen Puppy Large has the right Ca levels, then you could switch to TOTW at 1 year. ive mentioned it before, but i feed orijen for about $4 more per month than it costs me to feed TOTW, as i dont need to feed nearly as much of it.
quite honestly, ive never understood how RC justifies their prices. at least where i live, it costs the same as many higher quality kibbles.

Derek

owned by:
Kimba (gsd) 5/9/07
Saby the mutt~1/15/01
Frisco (gsd) 6/21/02
Luka (feline)d.o.b.~2004
RIP-canines-Buddy, Roxy, Kujo, Kato, Pierre
felines-Chanel, Panther, TJ
roxy84 is offline  
post #6 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-16-2010, 09:45 AM Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
stihac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 42
Thanks everyone. I feed the RC as that's what the breeder did start the puppies on. I plan to change that soon. Thanks for the heads up on the CA levels in TOTW. I'll check out Orijen Puppy Large.
Petr
stihac is offline  
post #7 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-16-2010, 11:45 AM Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
stihac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 42
Hi,

Isn't 40% protein too much?

Orijen Puppy Large :

GUARANTEED ANALYSISCrude Protein (min.)40.0%Crude Fat (min.)16.0%Crude Fiber (max.)3.0%Moisture (max.)10.0%Calcium (min.)1.5%Calcium (max.)1.7%Phosphorus (min.)1.1%Phosphorus (max.)1.3%Omega-6 (min.)2.6%Omega-3 (min.)
DHA
EPA1.0%
0.6%
0.3%Carbohydrate (max.)20.0%Glucosamine (min.)1400 mg/kgChondroitin (min.)1200 mg/kgMicroorganisms (min.)120M cfu/kgBOTANICAL INCLUSIONSChicory root700 mg/kgLicorice root500 mg/kgAngelica root350 mg/kgFenugreek350 mg/kgMarigold flowers350 mg/kgSweet Fennel350 mg/kgPeppermint leaf300 mg/kgChamomile flowers300 mg/kgDandelion root150 mg/kgSummer savory150 mg/kgVITAMINSVitamin A15 kIU/kgVitamin D32 kIU/kgVitamin E400 UI/kgVitamin B120.5 mg/kgThiamine50 mg/kgRiboflavin50 mg/kgNiacin250 mg/kgPan. Acid (B5)40 mg/kgPyridoxine (B6)26 mg/kgBiotin1 mg/kgFolic Acid3 mg/kgCholine2700 mg/kgAscorbic Acid55 mg/kgBeta carotene0.40 mg/kgAMINO ACIDSTaurine0.3 mg/kgT. Lysine2.7%T. Threonine1.65%T. Methionine0.87%T. Isoleucine1.60%T. Leucine2.9%T. Valine1.9%T. Arginine2.9%T. Phen.1.6%T. Histidine0.85%T. Cystine0.5%MINERALSSodium0.4%Chloride0.6%Potassium 0.65%Magnesium0.10%Sulphur0.4%Manganese14 mg/kgCobalt0.47 mg/kgIodine3.5 mg/kgSelenium0.5 mg/kgIron200 mg/kgZinc150 mg/kgCopper13 mg/kg
High in protein & low in carbohydrates, ORIJEN replicates the diet your puppy would encounter in his natural environment.
  • Calcium and phosphorus levels are moderate, perfectly balanced, and of natural source.
  • Protein from animal ingredients passed ‘fit for human consumption’, NOT plant proteins like potato or pea isolates, soy or glutens.
  • Long chain omega-3 (DHA, EPA) from fresh fish, NOT sunflower, flax or canola (ALA omega-3) which is not useable by dogs and cats.
  • Fresh chicken cartilage provides a natural, high source of glucosamine and chondroitin.
  • Veterinary selected botanicals soothe, nourish and tone the digestive tract while strengthening the liver.
stihac is offline  
post #8 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-16-2010, 11:50 AM
Crowned Member
 
Lilie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: South Texas
Posts: 12,391
I found with my male GSD that once he hit 6 months he stopped growing like a mutant.
Lilie is offline  
post #9 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-16-2010, 12:35 PM
Knighted Member
 
roxy84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW MICHIGAN
Posts: 2,211
Quote:
Originally Posted by stihac View Post
Hi,

Isn't 40% protein too much?
alot of internet mythology is out there, probably due to some old studies done on rodents using very low quality protein which showed detrimental effects of high protein diets on rodents.

here is a good read:

Skeletal Disease in Young Dogs

some excerpts:

Unlike other species, protein excess has not been demonstrated to negatively affect calcium metabolism or skeletal development in dogs. Protein deficiency, however, has more impact on the developing skeleton."

The absolute level of calcium in the diet, rather than an imbalance in the calcium/phosphorus ratio, influences skeletal development. (this is something that is controlled in Orijen but is much higher in other grainless foods, rendering them a poor fit for large breed puppies)

Derek

owned by:
Kimba (gsd) 5/9/07
Saby the mutt~1/15/01
Frisco (gsd) 6/21/02
Luka (feline)d.o.b.~2004
RIP-canines-Buddy, Roxy, Kujo, Kato, Pierre
felines-Chanel, Panther, TJ
roxy84 is offline  
post #10 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-16-2010, 12:40 PM
Crowned Member
 
onyx'girl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SW, MI
Posts: 27,287
If you cannot get Orijen, Wellness super5mix large breed puppy has the proper cal/phos ratio. It is not a grainfree however(rice and barley).
My pup is rawfed, and he gained an average of 3# a week til he was about 5 months. At one year he is just under 90# and lean, I feel and see ribs.

Jane~
Kept by
Gambit zu Treuen Handen

Guinness auf der Marquis...Karlo son!

Always in my heart
Karlo aka Gideon vom Wildhaus
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
3.02.09~12.03.18
Kacie
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
7.21.05-5.01.15
Onyx
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
11.08.06-9.28.18
onyx'girl is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the German Shepherd Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Growing Too Big Too Fast? Palydyn Development & Socialization 4 03-30-2015 10:58 PM
How fast is too fast in weight gain? Rider General Puppy Stuff 3 12-22-2014 12:15 AM
My baby girl is growing (and growing and growing) up! Jovi_Girl Braggs!!! 5 04-01-2013 01:04 AM
How fast is too fast? Magnolia Feeding Our Puppy 3 01-01-2012 03:20 PM
How fast is too fast to grow? DeeMcB Development & Socialization 2 01-11-2011 12:28 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome