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post #31 of 37 (permalink) Old 01-08-2019, 06:02 PM
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Do not use the remote if the other dogís face is near your dogís neck or he might blame the other dog for the shock.
Noted, and thanks. Made sure that was not the case. Literally only used the remote one time last night (after I tested to get his working level of course, so twice) and he was a perfect angel the rest of the evening. We had tried the collar a bit about 8 months or so ago but had to keep it too tight due to the short contacts. I feel like he remembers. I definitely got the idea that he knew the correction was coming from me....he gave me the side eye lol.
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Itís not a bad thing if they know it's from you and that you expect them to behave well.
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Itís not a bad thing if they know it's from you and that you expect them to behave well.
I agree completely. We went through some periods during his adolescent phase where he wore his prong around the house in the evenings with a 5" cut leash in case he needed reminding of his manners. Back when he would still jump up at times. He has always been a fairly good boy, not destructive, no counter surfing even when the kids leave plates up there, doesn't try to dash through doors, rings his bell when he needs to go out. Can be trusted out of his crate while we are at work/school. Now he mainly just needs reminding that his sister was not put on this earth for him to pester. He gets such a kick out of nose booping her to get a reaction. Never aggressive, always playful, but still can be tiring...especially for her.
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Do not use the remote if the other dogís face is near your dogís neck or he might blame the other dog for the shock.

Good point. It hasn't been an issue but one time Dasha, the older dog, went after a squirrel. I had to ratchet up the stim to get her to stop and come back and when she did she jumped on Natty, the younger, though bigger dog who was not near her when she was zapped. I zapped her again to let her know that she can't take out her frustrations on him. She hasn't done it again, but then she's also learned how to avoid getting zapped. It was an interesting reaction though.
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If they learn how to avoid a zap, then they are learning what you want them to do. Itís working. That is why I rarely need to use it. I was having some serious behavior problems that I could not stop because I didn't understand a WL temperament or drive. My dog is also very playful, so he learned if something is good, to do it in as big a way as possible. He was leaping on my back from behind. He knew not to jump from the front, but quickly realized I could not stop him from behind as I didnít even know he was going to jump until he did. The collar stopped that behavior instantly. Recently, my senior dog has been jumping the fence and chasing things. Itís a completely new and unexpected behavior for a dog who should be slowing down. He has been with her every time and always returns when I call him. He hasnít even tried to jump the fence. The first time, I used one click on the collar, but after that, he knew when she went over the fence, it was his cue to run to me and into the house. I don't use an e collar on her and I wonít, so I have had to be creative, but she hasnít gone over in a while. Hasnít even tried, fortunately.
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I may have left the impression I use an ecollar as a quick fix, which I don’t. I barely use it and I was trained by a professional to become proficient. My younger dog has solid foundation work behind his training which I reinforce often. Right now our training is scentwork, and I have never used an e collar during that. It’s all fun with a lot of rewards and praise. When he gets his reward, he marches around with his head and tail up and smiles. My older dog had a year of standard obedience and even got a near perfect score at a match. But I saw she was no longer enjoying it or showing enthusiasm in classes, so I stopped. She gradually forgot most of it. Training isn’t a one time thing. Even problem solving needs to be reinforced with positive behaviors. And an e collar if used shouldn’t be the end of training but just one more tool along the way.
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And an e collar if used shouldnít be the end of training but just one more tool along the way.

LuvShepherds, I couldn't agree more. I'm fairly new to the eCollar and hesitated using it for a long time. But I finally tried it after the older dog ran after a squirrel onto my neighbors property one time too many. I've read and watched video (Larry Krohn, and Leerburg) to learn how to effectively use the collar and find that it is a wonderful tool. But as Krohn advises, it is used to reinforce a skill that has already been trained - not to do the training. I reinforce correct choices with positive rewards, whether I've used the collar or not. I don't use it often with my dogs either, but it has given provided a safety net so that now I walk my pups in the woods off leash and allow them to run and explore, which they love. I couldn't do this before. I still walk them on leash too, so they don't lose the skill, but I love being able to let them have some freedom without me worrying about the one remote chance that they might run off after something. It is a great tool but you are exactly right that it does not take the place of training.
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