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I was using Victors Hi Pro Plus mixed with another kibble, but I don't like the small size of the kibble for a large GSD. Any recommendations for a quality, large sized kibble that is readily available locally and not premium priced?
Victor's Hi Pro plus is a bit larger than most kibbles. At least that's my experience swapping between Victor and TOTW. TOTW is a lot smaller kibble in size.

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Don't ever look into Orijen.

(A 25lb bag is $90+. I can almost get frozen raw food for that price.)

Yep. I had to laugh at that being expensive. The last bag of 24 pound food I bought was over $80 and I have 3 dogs to feed.
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I have not heard from Victor I did put a second call in she is waiting to here back from the nutrionist.

Muenster Milling Ancient grains looks good and in protein and price range. I have never seen the food at my feed store ever hopefully they can get it to try it.

It looks comparable to Victor's old choices and I see that you can shop online at their store with free shipping over $49.
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@crittersitter It is a good price nice to see they have free shipping. Redpaw pricey different formulas does have free shipping to. I do like to change rotate their foods.
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Thanks for the head's up, mmags. And thanks Jenny720 for going the extra mile. I know we all want the best for our dogs but sometimes I think we react too quickly. Quick, let's change foods because one plant in another part of the country has forced a recall for the whole brand. Or...Oh no, they changed the ingredients, change the food.

I'm with Jax. I'll change if I feel a need to. Victor has been a good food so far. If they have to change their ingredients a little, I'm sure they've done the research to find it safe for our dogs. Now if my dog suddenly starts getting diarrhea or he develops allergies, then I'll change.
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I know a lot of people are loyal to Victor Foods here, perhaps to a fault in this case. One would have to ask WHY in the world would Victor move PEAS higher on the ingredient list of their grain free foods and add garbanzo beans in some in light of the Dilated Cardiomyopathy issue associated with those ingredients? Also, I would've preferred that they raise their prices and keep the quality proteins they had in their formulas that their customers had become to rely on rather than adding more blood meal to the formulas in an attempt to save money. It does not show good judgement IMO, especially the legumes thing.
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I know a lot of people are loyal to Victor Foods here, perhaps to a fault in this case. One would have to ask WHY in the world would Victor move PEAS higher on the ingredient list of their grain free foods and add garbanzo beans in some in light of the Dilated Cardiomyopathy issue associated with those ingredients? Also, I would've preferred that they raise their prices and keep the quality proteins they had in their formulas that their customers had become to rely on rather than adding more blood meal to the formulas in an attempt to save money. It does not show good judgement IMO, especially the legumes thing.
This isn't about loyalty. This is about being cautious and not so quick to change at drop of a dime. I've only been using Victor for a year, so what loyalty do I really have for the brand? If it is about loyalty, I would've stuck with TOTW Pacific, or RCGSD, or any number of other brands. I'm just tired of changing foods every time there's a recall, or a small bit of news of some study that someone did, or price changes, or etc. It's already hard enough to find a food that my dog will actually eat, that he's not allergic to, that it's not hard to get, and that it's not ridiculously expensive. I'm sure Victor is aware of the DC issue and I'm sure they did their own studies and found that their new formula is safe or else why would they sell it and risk their reputation and company on it? Anyway, you're free to change foods, but don't assume that the reason the rest of us aren't changing is because of "loyalty."
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This isn't about loyalty. This is about being cautious and not so quick to change at drop of a dime. I've only been using Victor for a year, so what loyalty do I really have for the brand? If it is about loyalty, I would've stuck with TOTW Pacific, or RCGSD, or any number of other brands. I'm just tired of changing foods every time there's a recall, or a small bit of news of some study that someone did, or price changes, or etc. It's already hard enough to find a food that my dog will actually eat, that he's not allergic to, that it's not hard to get, and that it's not ridiculously expensive. I'm sure Victor is aware of the DC issue and I'm sure they did their own studies and found that their new formula is safe or else why would they sell it and risk their reputation and company on it? Anyway, you're free to change foods, but don't assume that the reason the rest of us aren't changing is because of "loyalty."
Amen to that. The only brands I'm loyal to are brands, Seger, Faren and Meeka. Weird that people want to claim others are blindly loyal for not freaking. Judgey Judgey.

I watched people jump on the grain free bandwagon. I fed grain free food for awhile and my dog did terrible on it. All peas, sweet potato and squashes. Lots of fiber for huge, stinky, poops. Change out one non meat item with protein for another based on panic over the wheat contamination, internet chatter and zero science. Look where that got them.

People freak over corn and yet one of the best foods out there for working dogs is Redpaw, formulated by mushers for maximum stamina (Redpaw also uses blood meal). Every dog I've seen that eats it look phenomenal, packed with muscle and can work all day.

Blood meal - I looked up the nutritional content. High protein, 1:1 calcium/phos. So they can add this, get the appropriate protein content without jacking the cal/phos. ratio. And have more control over what vitamins/minerals/amino acids need to be balanced because blood meal has little vitamins/minerals. Anyone that has ever tried to balance a meal for dogs based on NRC guidelines feels my pain on this. BTW...a friend is a dog food rep. Victor is a competing brand. She told me Victor was one of the best on the market because of their vitamin pack. She said that about a competing brand.

And as a side note on protein - studies by Cornell vets have shown that a protein percentage over 30% actually decreases stamina in working dogs.

As far as having more peas and adding chick peas (which btw has a very low glycemic index so if they added the garbanzo beans in place of some of the peas that is a good thing), what are their percentages of the legumes in their food based on the other well known, highly touted foods? I would like to see a side by side comparison of percentages. Give me numbers and studies and longevity.

And, if the taurine issue is a concern, why are people even still feeding grain free if the dog has no allergies to grain? No judgement there. I'm truly curious on the logic. They still don't even know what is causing this. Zero concrete answers, only theories. One of which is that people are feeding the wrong food for the calories required by the specific dog so the dog is being fed less than the recommended amount on the bag. Maybe the grain free foods have higher calorie or carb content so people are feeding less thinking they are doing the best thing for their dog? Nobody knows for sure yet.
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My thoughts exactly! (Thanks for writing all that Jax08, so I didnít have to). Iíve got to go get a bag of dog food today. The only thing Iím changing right now is the size of the bag - going smaller since I have one less dog.
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What frustrates me about these changes (and what other brands do too--this is not limited to Victor) is the reason they are done. This is not what happened:

Meeting between executives and nutritionists: "Hey we are having trouble producing a balanced healthy food. We've conducted a bunch of studies and discovered blood meal lets us adjust things in an optimal way. Yeah it costs more to use but for the sake of a good product, we highly suggest we alter the formula to replace some of the primary proteins with blood meal." "Sounds good, make it happen."

Instead this is what happened:

Executives in a meeting by themselves. "Margins are down. What's happening?" "Meat costs continue to rise." "Can we source meat from China?" "No, that would be a marketing disaster." "OK. Go tell the nutritionists they have to alter the formula to bring down production costs by 13.7%."
Nutritionists after getting the edict from management. "Crap, what can we do?" "Well we could substitute blood meal for some of the primary proteins. Blood meal is cheap in comparison." "What about marketing?" "It sounds better than byproducts or sourced from China." "OK, I guess it is the best we can do. Make it so."

It is fine if Victor is still a good dog food but switching from Victor because of this has nothing to do with brand loyalty or lack of it. This was a change to keep costs down not done out of a desire to improve the quality of the product.
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