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post #11 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-28-2019, 12:53 PM
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...would leave a good thing alone and not try to fix something when it's not broken...
The problem is they aren't trying to fix something with the food or the nutrition. They are trying to fix something with the financials. I'm most disappointed that the analysis information is now much less detailed. That alone is a huge red flag for me.

Since we are all talking here, I'm open to suggestions. I'm back to researching and looking for something all-life stages, suitable for a GSD puppy (meaning the right calcium to phosphorus ratio and overall calcium content), protein in the 25-32% range, choices to rotate protein sources, and grain-inclusive. I suppose I could consider rotating in grain-free formulas too as the data there is nebulous at best.
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I get that it's all about money.....all to well I get that...that's why I feel you can pick a company--any company and it's about money and the bottom line---in this case it sounds like they're trying to keep their product at a price point they believe the product will continue to sell well at..in order to do that they're cutting corners on ingredients....that happens every day...pick a market or company in it.....


A good example of the other end of the spectrum is right here where I live...there's a sandwich shop been around over 25 years over the last 10 years pretty much on an annual basis their prices increase--a little bit....but they never cut back on their quality OR tried to compete with any one elses prices....they didn't try to fix or change in any way what wasn't broken by changing quality...they kept the same quality and increased their prices to make the profit they were looking for....I wish (YES I know I live in a dream world) that all companies would keep their quality at the same level they had when "building their name"....just increase your selling price over time if you need to....over the years I've owned a couple businesses ....I understand trying to make a profit....that said when I buy I don't consider price as much in general as I do quality.......I don't mind paying for quality just give the same quality you built your name on...
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I have not but I have seriously been considering Beaverdam, specifically the high energy bag. How do you like it?
My two are doing well on it. We use the Hi pro /active dog. I have ever since they were pups. I do add a few extras like a boiled egg in the morning and a heaping table spoon of canned food in the evening for flavor variety.

When we had a cat living at our house we took her off of Purina and put her on the Beaverdam cat food..she got sassy and her fur got silky and shiny.
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I think moving forward I will be going with Muenster dog food, it is also made in Texas and they own their own manufacturing plant. No recalls and the owner frequently replies to customers himself and posts on their facebook. Their ingredients and formulas are equal if not better to Victor, grain inclusive and grain free. Beaverdam will also be in my rotation.
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I have done Earthborn for 10? 12? plus years........with all the scare about DCM, and seeing a big change in ingredients....which also seems to be dependent on source (Chewy vs local ag feed store).....I moved mine to another food. Victor never thrilled me, Sport dog was too iffy on supply/delivery....

Beaverdam formula I looked at had a lot of pea products

Remembered meeting a rep at a pet expo a few years back, and a food which used to be highly promoted to the Sch/IPO community. The food was Best Breed (Dr Gary's) - German Dog formula.....so am giving that a try.


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I think moving forward I will be going with Muenster dog food, it is also made in Texas and they own their own manufacturing plant. No recalls and the owner frequently replies to customers himself and posts on their facebook. Their ingredients and formulas are equal if not better to Victor, grain inclusive and grain free. Beaverdam will also be in my rotation.


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I had called victor and wanted to share the information I was given. They wanted to changes some formulas -to all life stages. They had said AFFCO changes changed some of the standard guidelines and they needed to follow those guidelines. They added blood meal to maintain the amount of protein without the additional calcium and phosphorus for growing large breed puppies. Not all formulas are all life stages, though. The blood meal which is the same information I had received previously is from chickens that are slaughtered for the dog food. They will get back to me as why they added the vegetable oil and tetra sodium pyrophosphate in their micro ingredients.
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I had called victor and wanted to share the information I was given. They wanted to changes some formulas -to all life stages. They had said AFFCO changes changed some of the standard guidelines and they needed to follow those guidelines. They added blood meal to maintain the amount of protein without the additional calcium and phosphorus for growing large breed puppies. Not all formulas are all life stages, though. The blood meal which is the same information I had received previously is from chickens that are slaughtered for the dog food. They will get back to me as why they added the vegetable oil and tetra sodium pyrophosphate in their micro ingredients.
The protein from animal sources went up in the Nutra Pro all life stages with the change.




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I had called victor and wanted to share the information I was given. They wanted to changes some formulas -to all life stages. They had said AFFCO changes changed some of the standard guidelines and they needed to follow those guidelines. They added blood meal to maintain the amount of protein without the additional calcium and phosphorus for growing large breed puppies. Not all formulas are all life stages, though. The blood meal which is the same information I had received previously is from chickens that are slaughtered for the dog food. They will get back to me as why they added the vegetable oil and tetra sodium pyrophosphate in their micro ingredients.
The protein from animal sources went up in the Nutra Pro all life stages with the change.
@Jax08 How interesting is that- wow. I really can’t say I’m much surprised though. They will have to modify their answer. Lol!


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I was using Victors Hi Pro Plus mixed with another kibble, but I don't like the small size of the kibble for a large GSD. Any recommendations for a quality, large sized kibble that is readily available locally and not premium priced?
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