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Can i get advice on these kibbles please.

I am interested to know what members feel about these 3 foods

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https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-f...ther-dog-food/

HORIZON PULSAR
https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-f...lsar-dog-food/

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https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-f...ls-grain-free/

As you can see I am looking for a LID kibble and even if I think I have found great food there are people on this site that know much more than I. So advice would be greatly appreciated.
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I am interested to know what members feel about these 3 foods

PETCUEAN GATHER
https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-f...ther-dog-food/

HORIZON PULSAR
https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-f...lsar-dog-food/

FROM FOUR STAR
https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-f...ls-grain-free/

As you can see I am looking for a LID kibble and even if I think I have found great food there are people on this site that know much more than I. So advice would be greatly appreciated.
IMO, I dont think any of those three foods are a good first choice due to the high amounts of peas and lentils that seems to be listed on all of those formulas early on. Maybe look at VICTOR Yukon Salmon or their Ocean Fish formula with rice. If you like lamb then they also make a Lamb meal and brown rice formula.
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IMO, I dont think any of those three foods are a good first choice due to the high amounts of peas and lentils that seems to be listed on all of those formulas early on. Maybe look at VICTOR Yukon Salmon or their Ocean Fish formula with rice. If you like lamb then they also make a Lamb meal and brown rice formula.
Victor lamb and rice was the only kibble my pup had good stools with. Fromm was one of the others I tried.
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Thank you I will give Victor another look.

After a quick look peas is the 2nd ingredient in victor lamb & brown rice...??

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Thank you I will give Victor another look.

After a quick look peas is the 2nd ingredient in victor lamb & brown rice...??
What are your thoughts on these two.

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Thank you I will give Victor another look.

After a quick look peas is the 2nd ingredient in victor lamb & brown rice...??
No, you must be looking at the victor grain free lamb meal. The Victor lamb meal and brown rice is this:

Lamb Meal, Whole Grain Brown Rice, Whole Grain Millet, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols), Blood Meal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Flax Seed (source of Omega 3 Fatty Acid), Feeding Oat Meal, Grain Sorghum, Yeast Culture, Natural Chicken Flavor, Potassium Chloride, Dried Kelp, Salt, Montmorillonite, Tomato Pomace (source of Lycopene), Dried Carrot, Choline Chloride, Dried Chicory Root, Taurine, Zinc Amino Acid Complex, Hydrolyzed Yeast, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Amino Acid Complex, Manganese Amino Acid Complex, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Selenium Yeast, L-Carnitine, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D Supplement, Copper Sulfate, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Niacin Supplement, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Biotin, Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate, Riboflavin Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Lecithin, Fructooligosaccharide, Folic Acid, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus Niger Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Product, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Citric Acid, Rosemary Extract.
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Nulo has chickpeas and lima beans as two of the ingredients relatively high up. I like Tuscan naturals though Im just not familiar with them so I do not know their sourcing, quality control, or history.
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One of the Farmina ancestral grain foods might work. Dogs on the cardiomyopathy spreadsheet seem to have done well on the various Farmina foods. You can find the spreadsheet on page 4-5 of the mega cardiomyopathy thread. It gets updated regularly.
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One of the Farmina ancestral grain foods might work. Dogs on the cardiomyopathy spreadsheet seem to have done well on the various Farmina foods. You can find the spreadsheet on page 4-5 of the mega cardiomyopathy thread. It gets updated regularly.
Agreed, i think Farmina ancestral is a solid food. Seems like a lot of people are trouble finding it in stock though.
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The Fromm Four Star WITH grain doesn't have peas/beans. Example:
https://frommfamily.com/products/dog...icken-a-la-veg
It's their GRAIN-FREE foods that do -- I like how their grain-included foods feed out, and the rotational nature of them (you're supposed to rotate through the line).


I love the NULO freeze-dried beef nuggets as a raw-diet "emergency" stand-in because it's shelf-stable -- it's crazy expensive to feed it to a big dog though.
https://www.chewy.com/nulo-freestyle...SABEgJyNPD_BwE


For kibble, if you want grain free, you might take a look at RAWZ. It has peas, but they're 10th on the list (way down, with 7 different meat sources up above them).
RAWZ | Chicken, Turkey & Chicken


I've said this over and over but I'm going to do it one more time: you can't extrude kibble without approx 40% or more starch. It just doesn't work. So grain free just gets at least that much starch from some other source -- potatoes, peas, tapioca, etc. You can't make kibble without that starch. And the grain free starches are less digestible for some dogs than rice/oats/etc., so unless there's a food allergy involved, you may not get "better" food in the trade off.


So if you want to feed grain-free kibble to get more meat, you're probably not going to get what you're paying for. Feed raw, or raw plus a base mix, or a well-formulated properly supplemented home cooked diet if you want to control the amount of meat the dog gets. Just keep in mind that kibble has to be starch-based because of how the extrusion process works.

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