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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 04-08-2008, 01:39 PM Thread Starter
 
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I was wondering if you all could critique my baby for me He's 6.5 months old in this picture...and it's the first one of him I have been able to get where I didnt have to hold him in place.



And because I always like to know how wrong I am I thought I would let you all know what I see...and then tell me what I am seeing right and wrong.

What I like the most about him is his head, his movement and his rear end. He's got great expression and I just adore his back skull and ear placement...I think he is going to have a very manly head when he gets older. Good pasterns, good angulation in the rear, and when he moves he trucks - very forward movement, usually at the end of the leash usuing alot of rear end to propell him forwad...it's just a very powerful trot. His rear legs are very straight as well...wheras Ruby is just now starting to loose the narrowness in her chest and rear end (maturity is coming! Slowly...but surely!)

What I dont like is his pigment (not snow nose, but it could be better), his shoulder is a little upriught, his topline isnt as good as Ruby's and his tail set is a little low.

His schnoz is a little long right now...he's got that kind of wonky growth spurt where things are growing and the rest hasnt caught up O.o

He's a cool little dude though - lots and lots of drive, he should do real well in SchH

Here's a recent pic (but not a great one) of Ruby...she's in heat so she's looking a little blah and a little nekkid, but because of a recent gromming job her topline is pretty obvious



I usually like to look them up for comparison because I see alot of what she has a problem with he improves on and vice versa.
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Re: Leo

Ruby has the most pleasing structure to me. Her head is wonderful, she's very harmonious, nice topline, she looks like she could work all day and not twitch an ear. Would love to see a photo of her in full trot.

Leo looks promising. I'd love to be able to fast forward to 24-36 months to see what the end result is! It's hard to tell in these photos but Leo's shoulder looks a mite better than Ruby's. I like his structure but I think his croup area looks a little short and steep. Wish he had more bone on him. The overall picture is of a promising, yet still a bit awkward, juvenile! Can't tell much about the paws thanks to the grass, though. I do like Ruby's expression, snotty and confident for the camera!

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Are you thinking of breeding them together, hence the comparison? In my completely inexperienced opinion, I think Ruby would be best complemented by a male dog of good bone, great shoulder, and a beefy head without being mastiff-like.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs...ee/503441.html
http://www.sutumer-grund.de/rueden-campino.htm

You know, I had a heck of a time finding BBSes with a decent shoulder! Huh! Anyway, I do think that Ruby and Leo would be best complemented by dogs other than each other, but then again, I'm the last person to ask for advice on that!

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I dont think I will be breeding them together....I think it's a comparison just because I have two very different dogs in terms of personalities and structure...the american judges tend to really like Leo...while alot of the Euro-style people like Ruby....lol...go figure . The males I am looking at for Ruby are these ones (generally titled males who have produced working offspring) :

X-dream amaroq (also Ruby's great-grandsire)


Bodyguard of Haely's future


Bossonova von White Angel


Herkules king is a definite possibility
Aico vom Brucknerlandl is another

It would be a dream come true if I could get Amaroq though - or at least line breed on him...he is easily my favorite dog in this breed - one of the most highly titled on both ends...and that bone!

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I like Bossonova's structure. Hard to see Amaroq's but his also looks nice. Bodyguard looks a little "hocky" and not all that complementary. But then again you have to look at so much more than just looks. Whatever works best (literally)!

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What is that you prefer about Ruby's topline?
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Ruby's is higher at the wither it seems but it is more level and "flowing" in my eyes. The abrupt end on Leo's throws me off. Daphne, you're the pro, what's your take on the toplines?

The more I look at them though, it seems that Leo has more angulation and Ruby could definitely use a bit more.

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IMHO, Leo is the better dog. His proportions of length to height are more correct, and his croup is not as steep. Leo also appears to have better length of neck, which is probably indicative of a more correct shoulder.

But I am not a judge, nor do I play one on TV .
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Regardless, you know way more than I do. I'd love to see Leo fully grown.

I thought Leo's croup is more steep?

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lol - what'd I tell ya

Americans tend to like Leo more, Europeans tend to like Ruby...me...I love them both They both bring something to the table I think

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I think halfway between Leo and Ruby would be good, but I have to agree, knowing my preference in type, it's no wonder I can stare at both of them all day and still come out liking Ruby more. She is not as nice around the wither but she is more solid. I hope you don't mind this, but I wanted to post the last photo of Ruby next to her current photo as a comparison. She is coming along very nicely! Too bad you didn't have a stack of Leo from when he was younger!



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