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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-27-2016, 08:23 PM Thread Starter
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Lightbulb Critique of a non-shepherd for working structure?

I am interested in a puppy from a certain pairing of a non-german shepherd breed, and was wondering a bit more about their conformation for work, specifically for agility and herding.

However, I don't know where to ask, so I was thinking some people in this forum may be able to help with telling me a little about the dogs conformation, with a look at the rear angulation as I am worried there isn't enough and I am not sure exactly how this will impact the dogs speed.

If this is ok and I am allowed, I will try to post some images of the parents in a stack.

Sorry if this is not OK, I am just unsure of where else I could ask, and thought it was worth a shot asking here.
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post #2 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-27-2016, 08:32 PM
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If you're wanting to do herding, is it a herding breed? Do the parents herd? Herding is an instinct, not all have it. I did herding with my rough collie. We did an instinct trial and of 42 rough collies of show lines and one pet line, only two passed, mine of show lines and the pet line one. I knew I wanted to do herding and went to that line when I was looking for my rough collie.
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@Deb, the parents are active herding dogs. The father works cattle and pigs, the mother works sheep and goats. The breeder has a farm, and has both herding dogs and livestock guardians.

Here are some videos of the father(black dog) working the breeder sent me, so if you have any critiques of the dog working, I really want to hear:
https://www.facebook.com/marki.klara...9529558739567/
https://www.facebook.com/marki.klara...9437722082084/
https://www.facebook.com/marki.klara...9600588732464/

Unfortunately most breeders do not work their dogs, and all the working dogs are owned by farmers in the native country and aren't registered, so I would not be able to find them easily, so I don't have much choice.

And since I am sharing videos, here are some pics of the mother:
https://postimg.org/gallery/1x7gwwgqy/

And some pics of the father:
https://postimg.org/gallery/lv4aovre/

Again, I am really sorry if this is not allowed!
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post #4 of 23 (permalink) Old 09-27-2016, 08:43 PM
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What breed is this?

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Hungarian Mudi.
Relative to the Pumi and Puli
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I just looked it up!

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CARLY ......... Ch. Lauremi's No Reservations (AKC GCh pointed, HIC)
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and absent friends... SAGE ~ Lauremi's Whim Z v Jakmar ~ AKC major ptd, HIC ~ 2010-2015
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Yeah, I really like the breed and its temperament!

However some mudi, especially the dogs in hungary, seem to have little rear angulation?
In poland there seems to be more angulation in mudi, but this litter I am interested in doesn't seem to have the best angulation.

I am worried this may be a problem and will affect the speed for work and sports. I'm just not sure how much it would? Do you think it could impact the dog a lot, or not hinder the dog much at all?

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I looked at Mudi some 15 years ago .

I like them !

there was only one breeder in Canada - and I don't believe they had much or any interest in working .

attraction of the exotic I guess.

they can be a little sharp -- but good dogs

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Mudi's are very interesting dogs and able to do an amazing amount of activities. They're every intelligent and can be a handful! They were next to us at a Meet the Breeds in Oklahoma one year. I had some great conversations with the breeders/owners that were there. If you want to do herding and agility, this is a breed that can do it. This is a breed that has primarily only been bred for herding until just recently, so only the best of the herding dogs were bred. They are amazingly agile and fast. The structure needed for herding has to be good to be able to work all day, make fast turns and be sound. Any dog that couldn't do that wouldn't be bred by the farmers. Their dogs are working dogs, if they can't work they don't stay. They aren't bred.
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@carmspack

Not really attraction to the exotic to me, they look really plain lol imo.

Would be hard to describe, but I love this part of the mudis temperament:

On that note, I absolutely adore breeds such as schipperke, but their ability to be off leash leaves a lot to be desired, same with terriers and spaniels.
My sisters working cocker spaniel is actually the most fun dog to train I have ever played with, similar temperament to a mudi, except their strong desire to use their nose was not very fun.
Basically, I really like the breed. Not just for that type of temperament, those videos are just examples

But yeah, been planning on getting one for over a year now.

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