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Ruger at 2 years old

Here are some self stacks of my dog Ruger. I am sorry about the links, every time I try to upload a picture to this site my computer freezes up.
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I would like to show him but am unsure how his top line will affect him. I hope to get at least a G rating. What do you think?
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He is a very handsome dog.
But I would not show him.
His body is shallow and lacks masculinity.
He needs more 'substance'.
He has a long croup and a short tail.
Every GSD isn't a show dog. (Mine isn't)

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He is a very handsome dog.
But I would not show him.
His body is shallow and lacks masculinity.
He needs more 'substance'.
Every GSD isn't a show dog. (Mine isn't)
Thanks. He has always been very lean. I am just hoping for a G so I can have him koreclassed.
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Thanks. He has always been very lean. I am just hoping for a G so I can have him koreclassed.
I could be wrong, I've been wrong before.
I hope you get more critiques that prove me wrong.
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I could be wrong, I've been wrong before.
I hope you get more critiques that prove me wrong.
Its ok. I appreciate your comments. It helps me look at things I haven't thought about before. I agree that his body is shallow. I really hope it is just because he is young, however, I do see younger dogs with much thicker bodies so you may be right there. I am not sure about the croup and tail though. I have always liked his croup and tail. He is kind of holding his tail up in the photos because he is watching activities off camera. My biggest concern and criticism of him has always been his slight roached back causing an exposed t-11 dip.
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I would show him for a G or SG. The angle of the photos is off so I can't really critique. I see what you mean about the topline, but look at some of the horrible "broken" toplines of the show line dogs....really what is worse? If everything else checks out (teeth, testicles, overall size) and he doesn't have any major faults I would definitely show this dog in order to breed survey. Assuming he moves OK, with some strategic grooming and if presented well I bet you can survey him.
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His tail isn't short. It reaches his hock. And the croup SHOULD be long.

I think he could get a low SG or a decent G rating. I'd show him to breed survey as well.

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Posted by qbchottu directed to me in the thread titled "Arched Back?";
robk: you are being a little more severe on your boy than you should be. The pictures are really not doing him any justice - I only used the last pic as it is the nearest to correct. He is only 2 and will continue to fill out and mature. He has a nice dark mask, dark eyes, good pigment, nice color. He has moderate bone, and could use more substance. Could use a little more masculinity, but he is still maturing. Are you hiking or swimming? A month or so beforehand, hike him uphill as much as you can and up his food to build up his chest, forehand, and rear.

He is splaying out a little in front so make sure he gets stacked with his feet in. You must groom his topline before the show - let me know when and where you plan to show him, if I am there, I will groom him - if not, I will find someone and we will ask them to groom him beforehand. Take an undercoat rake with single row and remove some of the body in the hair of the withers - must use some spray and moderate out that dip from his withers to back. It occurs in a lot of working dogs - is that tuft of hair at the base of his neck thick? Thinning it out and grooming properly can showcase his topline better.

Looks to have a nice firm back, but his croup is short, flat, and high - tailset also high. Pretty nice angulation in the rear, needs more front angulation, upper arm needs to be a little longer, shoulder will likely be a little restricted (not sure, need to see him move - might also be a little loose in the rear because of all that angulation so make sure to hike him uphill lots and have him pull for you as you call him). His rear angulation will be a lot for his front to handle so practice some if you can - some of these working dogs with lot of drive will push into the ground and it makes them look down in front even worse. Train to get his head up and looking for you so we can help his withers and front look the best we can. Good expression and nice dog. Congrats!

Get him used to checking teeth and testicles - with show training, a good handler, conditioning, and grooming - he could try for a SG.
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Posted by qbchottu directed to me in the thread titled "Arched Back?";
robk: you are being a little more severe on your boy than you should be. The pictures are really not doing him any justice - I only used the last pic as it is the nearest to correct. He is only 2 and will continue to fill out and mature. He has a nice dark mask, dark eyes, good pigment, nice color. He has moderate bone, and could use more substance. Could use a little more masculinity, but he is still maturing. Are you hiking or swimming? A month or so beforehand, hike him uphill as much as you can and up his food to build up his chest, forehand, and rear.

He is splaying out a little in front so make sure he gets stacked with his feet in. You must groom his topline before the show - let me know when and where you plan to show him, if I am there, I will groom him - if not, I will find someone and we will ask them to groom him beforehand. Take an undercoat rake with single row and remove some of the body in the hair of the withers - must use some spray and moderate out that dip from his withers to back. It occurs in a lot of working dogs - is that tuft of hair at the base of his neck thick? Thinning it out and grooming properly can showcase his topline better.

Looks to have a nice firm back, but his croup is short, flat, and high - tailset also high. Pretty nice angulation in the rear, needs more front angulation, upper arm needs to be a little longer, shoulder will likely be a little restricted (not sure, need to see him move - might also be a little loose in the rear because of all that angulation so make sure to hike him uphill lots and have him pull for you as you call him). His rear angulation will be a lot for his front to handle so practice some if you can - some of these working dogs with lot of drive will push into the ground and it makes them look down in front even worse. Train to get his head up and looking for you so we can help his withers and front look the best we can. Good expression and nice dog. Congrats!

Get him used to checking teeth and testicles - with show training, a good handler, conditioning, and grooming - he could try for a SG.
The hair on his withers is normal length and thickness. It is just always raised when he is looking at something or even mildly interested in what is going on around him. Every picture I have of him shows the hair on his withers raised.

I think I am going to give him a little more time to fill out before I attempt to go for his show rating. qbchotta, what part of the country are you in?
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