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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 10-11-2018, 02:08 PM Thread Starter
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Reverse Masks

Found this old picture of Adolph Hitler and his GSD, Blondi. It caught my attention because

Blondi has the same/similar head and face of my new rescue 'Heidi'. I've been scouring pics

looking for another dog that resembles Heidi and wondered if she is a mix since she doesn't have

the traditional look of modern gsd's w/ the broad head and dark mask. Although the farther I

go back in pictures, 100-150 yrs., the more dogs I see similar to Heidi. Is it possible she's just

an 'old style' dog?

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another pic of Hitler's Blondi, circa 1941

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blondi...em_Berghof.jpg
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Heidi, I think you may be referring to the reverse mask facial marking a lot of these dogs had. Here's another one of Hitler's dogs (NOT Blondi, this time.) It looks exactly like the Littlest Hobo dogs from the TV series.

Here's a link to the article about the series, which explains the reverse mask. I have frequently seen the mask in old photos, especially of the East German (D.D.R.) dogs! It is also frequently seen in huskies, which is why some people think these dogs aren't purebred. The Hobo dogs were black an sliver, which is also not according to the breed standard. However, it was felt this colour would show up better on a black and white TV screen. Reverse masked dogs can also, of course, be black and tan, like my Tasha (see Shepherd Collie mix thread.)

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The reverse mask is a result of a recessive gene. One famous GSD that had a reverse mask was Lord v. Gleisdreieck:
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Edit: found this old thread on the forum! https://www.germanshepherds.com/foru...erse-mask.html
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Thanks Sunsilver, that was interesting reading. Funny you mention your dog Tasha, as I noticed in the other thread that

your photo of her looks so much like my Heidi. I don't see too many that have this face. My son thinks my Heidi is

part Husky but we won't know for sure til I have her DNA done.
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Don't think it is necessary to use Hitler in pictures to illustrate a reversed mask. (I was raised in Europe to make a long story short in honor my grandpa)
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Orphan Heidi, is it possible for you to post a picture of your dog? I'd like to see her!

A side view (stacked photo) works best so we can get an idea of how much angulation she has. A husky would be much straighter in the hind legs than a GSD, but like I said, both the husky and GSD can have this sort of mask.

Littlest Hobo dogs with their trainer, Chuck Eisenman:
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Here's a link to the article about the series, which explains the reverse mask. I have frequently seen the mask in old photos, especially of the East German (D.D.R.) dogs! It is also frequently seen in huskies, which is why some people think these dogs aren't purebred.
The GSD wasn't a pure breed at it's inception so that distinct marking like all other traits had to come from another breed or mixed breed in the beginning. Those recessive genes are the gift that keeps on giving It's definitely something that's been part of the breed from the beginning, you can see it in earlier dogs.

Going way back, not sure but it looks like Frack vom Polizeprasidium (SZ 6534) had a reverse mask. (picture isn't the best) He was born in 1906. (he's in Max's book)

Frack vom Polizeipräsidium Berlin (fr. von der Eiche)

Going back even further in Fracks pedigree you'll find Baron von der Krone fr. Max SZ 162. (born in 1898) Wish there was a color photo of him to see if his face was silver or tan.
Baron von der Krone fr. Max (1898)
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You do realize that when the liberating Armys were coming in and it was over that Hitler tested a deadly poison on his own dog for suicide purposes.

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He also trained GSDs to feed under tanks. Then once trained, they put bombs on their back and send them hungry over to the German enemies' tanks to "eat".
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