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post #21 of 28 (permalink) Old 10-28-2018, 02:10 PM
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Mei, that's a tough question, because there really is no OFFICIAL definition of a reverse mask. I'd say that one's borderline.

I have well over 100 GSD photos in my picture files, but very, very few of them show dogs with a reverse mask. In addition to the dogs I mentioned already in this thread, I can only find 2 others that definitely have this sort of mask, and 2 that are borderline, like the dog Mei showed.

I think it's frowned upon because the breed standard prefers darkly pigmented dogs. Many reverse masked dogs have very faint masks, like the Vietnam war dog.

Here's Tasha at 9 months. When you compare this picture to the ones in the other thread, you can see the dark pigment on her face faded a lot as she got older.

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Let's stick to discussing reverse masks and away from the rest.

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My sweet boy Brinks I believe has a reverse mask? He is also half Doberman, but their colors don't typically change like a GSD. As a puppy his face was black with just two little tan brow spots.
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Wow, has Brinks ever grown up! His markings are pretty typical of what I've seen on Dobe x GSD (or even Dobe x other breeds) dogs.

Masks can fade and recede over time. As a young puppy, Leo had a very obvious reverse mask.

April 23. 2012 010 edit by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

April 23. 2012 032 by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr

Fast forward a few years, and it's not nearly as obvious.

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Yes, he certainly has! He will be three in upcoming February.
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back to the reverse mask ---

the hobo dogs --- I have had several dogs , usually male, that have been born with
similar facial markings -- sables - old heerding lines - pure bred - a well managed ,
well known

Blondi - a sable dog who could have had more pigmentation.

did we see a picture of YOUR dog OP?

meant to add this -- purebred is a relatively new experiment , which may
continue or need to be abandoned if the dog is to have any purpose - other than
pleasing cosmetics exterior and suitable pet.

it has always been the custom that dogs needed to contribute -- work --
be a working partner - whether herding , guardina or turn-spit even.

so in the early days , if you wanted to have a look at the von Stephanitz tome
you would see a cynologic study - his forte , was data mining and compiling .

you would see indigenous working , herding, farm dogs which were the genetic base
or foundation for the dogs that were unified into the recognizable GSD , which was
created for EXHIBITION - a unified , breed as a national achievement .

in the background there may have been "Hungarian" (historical ) Mudi - type
or even the Swedish shepherd farm dog the Vallhund.

the Vallhund does have this signature reverse marking that we see on the "hobo"
dogs.

we have the tools , we have DNA , we have the canine genomic maps -
Ostrander -

no husky --- that is a wild swing away from a purpose
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I never thought the Hobo dogs had husky blood (I read Chuck's books!), but a lot of misinformed people did, due to their silver colour, and the masks, which are also typically seen in huskies.
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Reverse Masks

My first gsd Karat he was from Belgium. He had dark pigment his mask did not fade. His nose would get lighter in the winter. Photos oldest to youngest Such a handsome boy.


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