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post #61 of 65 (permalink) Old 09-14-2019, 10:18 PM
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Sabis mom, ok, in your neighborhood, where the AC will walk into a yard with full grown GSDs and put them in with a couple more full grown GSDs, maybe you should put a padlock on that hooded kennel, then that wouldn't have happened that day. But really that is so unlikely. Not everyone would spay-abort in that situation. But 1 out of 500,000 accidental litters, is indeed not what the bitch owner wanted, doesn't prove the point.

If MY dog warden put my dog in with another dog, they would be getting an earful because it is VERY possible that the intact bitches they may put together will do serious damage to each other.
Well they weren't GSD's, one was a Dane and the others were SCWT's. I was 23, and did my level best to prevent it. Never occurred to me that AC would be stopping by to mess with my life.
Seriously, my point was crap happens. Oops litters do occur. I don't buy that they happen as often as is represented but they do happen.
At that particular time I had the money to deal with it. I was still showing and training horses and modeling, plus the exec protection work. I still was not pleased about shelling out a wad of cash. It was expensive. I can easily see how someone would opt for the litter. At 23 it cut seriously into my party fund.

But really? Should have put a padlock on it? Come on now. I know dog owners now that would not secure their dogs in a dog run within a dog run enclosed in a fenced yard.
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I mean frankly to a lot of the world, breeders are the scum of the earth.. I sure wouldnít want to be one with the stigma attached. Most of my friends who got dogs from expensive breeders are so ashamed they donít even want to discuss it. Iím ashamed that I wonít adopt in the future since Iíve always done that.

But like Iíve said repeatedly, I know how lucky I got and I will get future GSDís from a breeder.
You can choose how you want to deal with folks around them. You can tell them to mind their own business, or just not make any reply. You can use it as an opportunity to educate, but if you do, then be careful to whom you speak and how often, because you can burn out fast.

Breeders are the reason we have the magnificent creature this site is dedicated to. There would be indigenous sheep herding dogs from Germany. But as divers as the German Shepherd is, these dogs would be far more divers, you would not know what a pup from a bitch would be in temperament, ability, trainability, structure, size, color. You would probably have a good idea that it would be able to work sheep. Maybe. In fact modern sheep management might have made indigenous German sheepherding dogs no longer relevant and marked for extinction.

That is how many breeds are formed. Think of old yeller, He was not a yellow Labrador. He was a cur dog, that was used for baiting bear and working pigs. Not domestic Wilbers, but a hog dog, pigs with tusks that run feral in the woods eating nuts and such, protecting themselves from wolves an mountain lions and bears, until they are rounded up and butchered. Formidable animals. When folks no longer need to work their pigs, round them up and notch their ears to show ownership, those dogs would no longer be necessary and would become extinct unless a group of folks see the potential in such dogs and band together to save the dogs, by creating a breed, a standard, and a stud book for them, and carefully allowing some crosses, and then closing that, and being vigilent as to what is bred and what is not bred. These are breeders. These are breed-guardians.

Breeders are breed guardians. Folk that spend all their time and money making decisions about their dogs, who should be bred, who should not, to whom they should be bred, what traits should be built upon, what washed out.

Breeders compete to match their dogs against others, and to show case their dogs, but to also learn what is trending, what worked, what did not work, who might be a good dog to put into their lines. And so forth.

Breeders listen from folks what they want and what they need in their dogs.

Breeders listen to folks about behavior and training and learn to help others by their experience and by the experiences of others.

Breeders listen to health concerns and can get it right over veterinarians and prevent dogs from being chopped on unnecessarily and to their detriment (been there, done that).

There is so much, but if my computer crashes again.... Breeders are the reason you have the treasure you have, even if it came from someone who says they did not intend to breed. She got her dogs from somewhere, from breeders. And all the folks who get their dogs from pounds and shelters, well, they got their dogs from breeders too.

Breeder is not positive or negative, like teacher or construction worker or farmer. We should not have to put "respectable" or "reputable" before the term to make it positive.

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Well they weren't GSD's, one was a Dane and the others were SCWT's. I was 23, and did my level best to prevent it. Never occurred to me that AC would be stopping by to mess with my life.
Seriously, my point was crap happens. Oops litters do occur. I don't buy that they happen as often as is represented but they do happen.
At that particular time I had the money to deal with it. I was still showing and training horses and modeling, plus the exec protection work. I still was not pleased about shelling out a wad of cash. It was expensive. I can easily see how someone would opt for the litter. At 23 it cut seriously into my party fund.

But really? Should have put a padlock on it? Come on now. I know dog owners now that would not secure their dogs in a dog run within a dog run enclosed in a fenced yard.
Then the litter would not have been purebred GSDs. See, when people are "only selling them for $400" because it was an oops, that just happens to be registratable and purebred, I don't buy it. Crap happened in your case, but it would have produced a purebred litter, unless the SCWTs were the ones breeding. Crap happens, and as longs as we buy that, then we deserve to have the government demand that we spay and neuter evertything on four feet. No, you should not have had to padlock and most places AC would have never done that, but usually we find out stuff like that before the raccoon is in the hen house.

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Then the litter would not have been purebred GSDs. See, when people are "only selling them for $400" because it was an oops, that just happens to be registratable and purebred, I don't buy it. Crap happened in your case, but it would have produced a purebred litter, unless the SCWTs were the ones breeding. Crap happens, and as longs as we buy that, then we deserve to have the government demand that we spay and neuter evertything on four feet. No, you should not have had to padlock and most places AC would have never done that, but usually we find out stuff like that before the raccoon is in the hen house.
Actually it would have produced a purebred, registerable litter and one with nice lines. Stud was AKC/CKC registered, and had a proven record of producing champions, bitch was CKC, titled and had been breed a few times. I did not want a litter.
And I am still not sure what you are implying I could have done differently. Crap did happen. Buy it or don't.
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Actually it would have produced a purebred, registerable litter and one with nice lines. Stud was AKC/CKC registered, and had a proven record of producing champions, bitch was CKC, titled and had been breed a few times. I did not want a litter.
And I am still not sure what you are implying I could have done differently. Crap did happen. Buy it or don't.
You had your bitches in an enclosure that should have kept them safe. No way to know AC would do that.

But that is such an outlier.

It's the attitude that crap happens that bothers me so much. Because "crap happens" people don't take responsibility, and the people think that the government should make laws that effect everyone of us because we can't keep "crap" from happening. Like people who get pissed off at drivers who run over their dogs. I say, "what is the dog doing in the street." Well it got loose, crap happens. Takes responsibility from the owner and shifts it to the driver, or the farmer, or the hunter. Sometimes there are extenuating circumstances that no one could foresee, but they wouldn't happen again next year. Like they do with these multiple oopse litter folks. You did not even have an oops, because you spay-aborted. But had you, it still wouldn't change the fact that the vast majority of oops litters should have been prevented, and would have been prevented if the owners did not want puppies.
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