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post #21 of 156 (permalink) Old 12-17-2016, 10:28 PM Thread Starter
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So get a CO. Good luck to you and your neighbors.

It becomes society's business, everyone's business, when people who refuse to educate themselves go around looking for the hardest dog they can find.
Yep that's exactly what I'm doing Sherlock. You sure seem to have me all figured out
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here are some dogs fitting that description

Monchi Malatesta Monchi von Malatesta

Lewis Malatesta AND his sire Mink Wittfeld Lewis von Malatesta

Addi Tonteichen Addi von den Tonteichen

Alf and Akut Lablapega Akut Lablapega

Lord Gleisdreieck Lord vom Gleisdreieck

starting to put things together Carmspack Mirko Carmspack Mirko

Carmspack Chunko (decoys choice - Nationals) and his brother Simon Carmspack Chunko

Cito T T H Cito vom Haus TTH

Carmspack Tyko Carmspack Tyko

Boris Trogenbach Boris vom Trogenbach (1973)

Link Muikenshof Link van Muikenshof

Ina and Ira haus Gard Ina vom Haus Gard

Verwin Blitsaerd Verwin van Blitsaerd

Orry v h Antverpa Orry von Haus Antverpa

Ouchie v d Schiffslache Ouchie von der Schiffslache

there are others

if you go through the pedigrees you will see a theme , a continuity
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Get a dog from Tiekerhook kennels, he breeds for that " type" of dog. Doesn't mean your specific pup will grow up into that, anymore than breeding that type of adult dog will produce that type of puppy. It takes a real expert that has been breeding the same foundation stock, who has knowledge and intent to produce that type of dog to be able to develop that type " line". I would say Koos of Tiekerhook, and Jiri of Jinopo are probably as close as you get.
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One last things, that doesn't mean every breeding from them will be like that....because they recognize the need for balancing genetics, some of their breeding/dogs will not be of that nature, but they both have the genetics in their lines to have certain breedings that are of the type you asked about.
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There's this girl. She seems to fit the pedigree requirements.
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This little girl is a Gina jipo offspring. Young enough to still be relevant today. Vanvan Jipo-Me
Do you guys think that pedigrees like these were common or expected back in the day. With both of my dogs pedigree seems to be active with SCH, IPO, etc.... 4 generations back. Seems when Americans got the dogs and wanted to make profit without working the dogs the pedigrees went to ****.
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here are some dogs fitting that description

Monchi Malatesta Monchi von Malatesta

Lewis Malatesta AND his sire Mink Wittfeld Lewis von Malatesta

Addi Tonteichen Addi von den Tonteichen

Alf and Akut Lablapega Akut Lablapega

Lord Gleisdreieck Lord vom Gleisdreieck

starting to put things together Carmspack Mirko Carmspack Mirko

Carmspack Chunko (decoys choice - Nationals) and his brother Simon Carmspack Chunko

Cito T T H Cito vom Haus TTH

Carmspack Tyko Carmspack Tyko

Boris Trogenbach Boris vom Trogenbach (1973)

Link Muikenshof Link van Muikenshof

Ina and Ira haus Gard Ina vom Haus Gard

Verwin Blitsaerd Verwin van Blitsaerd

Orry v h Antverpa Orry von Haus Antverpa

Ouchie v d Schiffslache Ouchie von der Schiffslache

there are others

if you go through the pedigrees you will see a theme , a continuity

Carmen and I generally agree at least 75% of the time....a few here I haven't seen much of, and one I don't agree with because what I have seen from the line has not stood up in nerves/confidence consistently enough...

I will agree especially with Lord and Orry/Verwin....I prefer Mink to go through Jago Lindenhalle only....


The key to me is consistency in a litter.....when a litter is all over the place, to the point that a breeder culls, then to me it negates what he is producing because he is still passing on the genetics that caused him to cull.....a couple breeders well known for "hard" dogs are also well known for culling their litters down to those pups they feel fit their images....
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....I prefer Mink to go through Jago Lindenhalle only....


Could you elaborate please?

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Do you mean like SCH/IPO, military, K9, or just down right mean watch dogs. When I think of a hard German Shepherd for some reason I automatically go to closed line Czech German Shepherd, and closed line DDR german shepherd. Dogs of the past. Maybe a couple breeders that have been able to keep the lines closed but most are a mix of different lines.
If I started a new thread would anyone be interested in a discussion of Czech lines?
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Could you elaborate please?

I think that is pretty clear. If I do a breeding that will have Mink in the sire, I want it to go through Jago.....other wise, I keep looking.


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