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post #151 of 156 (permalink) Old 04-10-2017, 10:40 PM
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Unfortunately any growling in IPO is looked at as bad. They don't look at the rest of the picture.
Interesting, do they deduct points? If I saw a dog growling during the bite, my first thought would be that the dog is really aggressive and wants to do harm to the decoy.
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Interesting, do they deduct points? If I saw a dog growling during the bite, my first thought would be that the dog is really aggressive and wants to do harm to the decoy.
If I hear growling on the bite, I look at the dogs body language first, often those growls are due to insecurity. But getting to know the dog is important and how the dog outs can be part of the picture in the judges critique.
Some dogs are safer when on the bite and won't out easily....if they out, the pressure returns.
Of course in trial the judge only sees what they see in the moment, so reading the dog can be difficult.
Just like the leaking /vocalizing can be misinterpreted for lack of control, but that leaking is what is keeping the dogs brain intact! Vocalizing is releasing pressure so the dog can keep from exploding.

Take the points if you have to...it is hard to train out and then maybe another problem arises when you fix that one.
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Sven and Sindy when paired with other partners produced some very good animals.

The problem was in the combination. That is one reason , when people crow about a famous sire , or dam , concentrate on one side of the "family" I say they have to look at all the combinations and how they merge.

My question was should Boban have been bred - especially after the original owner at vom domburgerland was so open and frank about his experience.

on the issue I do agree "Unfortunately more people are moving in that direction as they breed for extreme drives for grips and obedience. Not all.....but way to many. ---- this is so true .

the dogs that I was talking about were owned and trained by various levels of expertise , from a seasoned top level competitor to a relative novice.
The dogs were reactive and had low thresholds , had difficulty capping.
The training promoted all the faults that they had .

Had it only been "those" dogs I could understand , just as Boban was a result of the combination -- but I saw the next generation --

Breeding for extreme . Breeding without balance .

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@ NYCgsd....yup .....the dog I described was like that as a puppy also. Full bite, active aggression, bombproof nerves, and low prey drive. Would not be the favorite at IPO world, but fortunately NJ developed and RECOGNIZED his ability and he is superb PSD today!
Ps ....this dog had very high hunt drive which made him very good at tracking and narcotics as hunt drive primarily uses nose.
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Yes, Carmen, balance is that word that many breeders profess to believe in as they run to the dog that will get them the most points or ribbons....smh!
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@ NYCgsd....yup .....the dog I described was like that as a puppy also. Full bite, active aggression, bombproof nerves, and low prey drive. Would not be the favorite at IPO world, but fortunately NJ developed and RECOGNIZED his ability and he is superb PSD today!
Ps ....this dog had very high hunt drive which made him very good at tracking and narcotics as hunt drive primarily uses nose.
The video was from a litter at 6 weeks old. Maybe it was just a puppy thing? Was their first bite on flirt rag. The entire litter had at least some growling during the bite, these are supposedly "serious" lines, which is why this thread caught my eye. I'm not sure I know how to recognize active aggression at 6 weeks, or even at 6 years because I'm not an expert, maybe you can describe it to me.
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