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post #11 of 19 (permalink) Old 11-17-2010, 10:24 AM Thread Starter
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That is encouraging.

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post #12 of 19 (permalink) Old 11-17-2010, 07:21 PM
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My main stud dog Zavien has all the dog's in his pedigree that you mentioned, but has a 3-2 on Dasty and that's it. I happen to Love his pedigree and him!!!! I don't think you could go wrong....

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Yes, love those types of dogs. A “real” dog that requires an understanding of behavior and not just training. There are a few people capable of such a temperament. Today’s GSD are soft. JMHO
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Bad nerves and handler aggression do not equate to a "real dog" Dogs leaking prey, screaming in frustration do not equate to a "real dog" Combined with extreme prey and in the hands of competition driven handler/trainers they OFTEN become successful competition dogs and are bred. Dogs who retaliate on their handlers for corrections when in drive (I watched a few go for the belly and neck of their handlers, not just a hand redirection) are not desirable animals to use for breeding.

I value solid temperament and clarity above titles, trophies and points.

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That’s what makes this world a beautiful place....individual likes and dislikes. The same way you poo poo HA and dogs with extreme drives. That’s my definition of a Ol time GSF. OK, to be be completely frank..maybe minus the HA. But that is just a rank dog or one who has been treated undairly. Your type of dog is what you like and can handle. I can respect that.

The few top people i highly respect in the sport and in other countries like the type of dog I like. And if we remember Ol German terminology ....Sharp was and is to a select few a desireable trait.

To each his own, just stating my views and likes.

I’ll stay loyal to one trainer in the game. His record speaks for itself. He also happens to like the same type of dogs.

To all here the very best this was not a source of contentious rebellion.

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One more thing, you say bad nerves. I say low thresholds for aggression backed by confidence. 😉
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What people here fail to add into the equation of what they "like" - especially based on experience or relationships with European breeders and trainers - they rarely LIVE with their dogs....these dogs are kenneled, the OCD behaviors, pacing, spinning are not a factor in their choosing a dog to breed or to buy...some of these breeders have a dozen dogs living in crates in a building out side the house or in sheds/runs at a club...situations that here, if we saw, we would be horrified.

And yes, I do like a dog I can live with ......I don't have dogs because I like the sport of whatever it is being called this year....my identity is not wrapped with with success in competition. I do the sport because I like the German Shepherd Dog and my own dogs and I learn about their ability and character through the sport. I really doubt that the intention of the ideal dog was to breed one who was a hectic animal who could not settle and who would retaliate or attack their handler....so yes, I can definitely say I value temperament, character and ability over extreme drive that is hectic....after all, you can have that drive without the bat caca crazy additions....I have a dog like that sitting here - and only personal circumstances have kept him from being high profile....

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Jumping in here because I really liked the info concerning the pedigree and info on linebreeding and now a question that I have concerning my understanding of what strong nerves are.

I understand "low threshold" quite well (I think) and also confidence and aggression and why the need for both when Max was developing the breed.

Based on my understanding it seems that an equation low threshold for aggression combined with confidence isn't something that can or maybe (should is a better word) be combined.

An example of low threshold was offered in a thread long ago about the degree of civility in a dog. It went like this:

A guy and a girl sitting at a bar. Joe comes in and eyes the girl, comes up and makes threats towards both. The guy sitting does nothing and hope Joe goes away.

Same scinario but as Joe is walking towards them, the guy stands up to face Joe. Joe goes away, the guy sits down

Same scinario but as Joe takes a couple steps in the door, the guy stands up rushes to Joe and threatens that if he dares even look at the girl he'll have a problem. Joe leaves the bar

Same scenario but as soon as Joe enters, the guy rushes Joe and attacks.

Obviously in the story, the guy sitting is a GSD.

So how much civility in a GSD is actually required to get the job done and still be considered safe and how much confidence is needed to keep a clear head?

In my very limited knowledge and very humble opinion, good breeders who know their lines are always working towards a balance.

There is a huge difference between bad nerves and degrees of civility that most (Including myself) would not be able to recognize. It's something to keep in mind.
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