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post #21 of 37 (permalink) Old 04-14-2008, 09:19 PM
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Re: Cyclosporin Eye Drops Odd Question

to summarize:

sera's initial diagnosis from the original specialty clinic where she was first seen for her symptoms (very red conjunctivitis, discharge), was plasmoma, i.e., pannus of the third eyelid.

her subsequent diagnosis six months later (with very minimal treatment in the meantime with cyclosporine) from michigan state university department of ophthalmology was cks, canine keratoconjunctivitis sicca (no tear production, inflamed conjunctiva, discharge...cause unknown, possibly drug reaction), no evidence of plasmoma.

opinions on which of the following might be realistic to believe happened please:

1) plasmoma was somehow reversed, or went into some sort of remission situation, by the short course of cyclosporine therapy.

2) first diagnosis of plasmoma was incorrect.

3) some other explanation...

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Re: Cyclosporin Eye Drops Odd Question

ps...the thought just hit me...did i hijack this thread? sometimes net et escapes me! 'scuse me if i did!

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Re: Cyclosporin Eye Drops Odd Question

it could have been any of the above as far as any answers to the dogs original diagnosis. i think it will be a pretty good indication if it flares up again, and or is a cronic issue. pannus does not go away, so maybe the short term med did help, but pannus dogs really need lifetime management with eye meds. although alot of other eye issues could need lifetime attention with meds as well.
keep an eye on it, if it flares up again, i would get another opinion from an optimologist.

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Re: Cyclosporin Eye Drops Odd Question

re flares up again, she's always symptomatic. there are no better ophthy docs in michigan than msu dept of ophthalmology. for third opinion i'd have to go out of state.

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well, if these specialists are right, i would think they would have recommended ongoing eye meds to help prevent things from progressing any further.
hopefully, you can find some answers.

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Re: Cyclosporin Eye Drops Odd Question

that's the question i've not been able to answer...what is the correct diagnosis. both recommend ongoing eye meds, just differing courses and for differing conditions. it's so hard to know what the right treatment is when you're not comfortable that you know the correct diagnosis.

about the ongoing meds...are cyclosporine drops an immunosuppressant and could using them contribute to the onset of bacterial infection. and, do you know if plasmoma (pannus of the third eyelid) and canine keratoconjunctivitis (dry eye), can both exist at the same time?

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I have been treating 4 year old Julie's pannus for nearly one year now with Cyclospone in a tube. I buy it from Entirely Pets. Julie has no problem with me putting this ointment into her eye. She sits and I put my one hand under her muzzle and the other places the ointment in. She has never acted like it bothers her. I don't enjoy this but I do love the dog. So we keep it up. I would really hate it if it bothered her.

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Re: Cyclosporin Eye Drops Odd Question

wow, thanks so much julie'somom for posting about the entirely pets site. what great prices they have! jean, cyclosporine ointment in a tube for less than $24./tube! that might solve the problem of the possibly leaking plastic bottle (and get back to the original question of the thread too!).

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Re: Cyclosporin Eye Drops Odd Question

the only problem with eye ointment is its only 1% cycolsporin, which isn't enough to address the problem correctly, according to my optimologist, also i don't like the idea of having to use my finger to apply ointments since there is a chance of getting bacteria into the eye, plus the hassel of getting it in properly. the drops are much more effective.

i don't know about long term use of cyclosporin and bacterial issues, i have never had any problems with toby, and he's been on it for 7 years now.

my question is why didn't they suggest steroid drops, since that is usually the proticol with cyclosporin when addressing pannus, or such flare ups., especially if there is redness present.

if its an issue with low tear production, you can also use regular peoples lubricating eye drops., and i would for a precaution.

i would say that both issues could very well be present at the same time, since those symptoms usually go together.

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Re: Cyclosporin Eye Drops Odd Question

no debbieb, that's what i found so interesting about the entirely pets site...it's optimmune and it's .2%. check it out and see what you think.

can you tell me what is the pharmaceutical name for "steroid drops", or are they just called steroid drops. i've not heard of those, but i'm relatively new to these eye problems.

i'm using gel tears regularly (several times a day and at night), and keeping her eyes clean, but there's still something going on.

and thanks so much for the input.

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