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JayneA 10-12-2007 05:43 AM

Training Contacts for Agility
 
Kai has been going over a very baby version of the see saw since we got him (literally an inch or two off the ground) with no problems at all. He has done a full height one too (once) when I turned my back after training Ebony and he managed to get out of the house, flew over it, got the contact and stood waiting for a bit of chicken. After the initial shock I did feel quite pleased that it didn't bother him but have no intentions of going near the full height one again for quite some time!

Anyway, I've been thinking about what sort of contact I want on the see-saw. For the dogwalk and A-frame I am working for a 2on/2off as that is what I prefer. But I am not so sure with the see-saw, my older boy has a 2o/2o and will always get the contact with no problems (he's a heavy lad!), my girl also has 2o/2o but doesn't seem comfortable, I think because of the recoil when it hits the ground and she only has 2 back feet on and it pushes against her which she doesn't like.

So I was thinking of training Kai to do a 4 on so that he doesn't have the recoil (he is going to be pretty light and lean I think) but I was worried about the whole 'get the contact and then jump off the end as the see-saw goes back up' type thing (which often gets faulted in the UK). What sort of teeter contacts do you all train for and does it change depending on what sort of dog you are working with?

MaggieRoseLee 10-12-2007 07:46 PM

Re: Teeter question - contacts
 
2on/2off is all I will ever teach. ESPECIALLY with our long strided big dogs (add 'drive' to one of these and it's even BETTER!) Just so easy for them to miss a contact with just their normal stride, and add some excitment of poor timing from me and it's all over.

Once it's taught properly, you can sometimes release so fast it almost seems like a running contact, so time isn't an issue. I do the vast majority of my training on low contacts or just on the bottom of the contact (not having the dog perform the entire piece of equipment over and over if all I'm practicing is the 'target'). So I don't feel I am asking too much stresswise on their bodies, as long as I keep them in good shape and a good weight.

And, frankly, I don't train enough (bad me) to really do well reliably on the other methods. They may work really well, but there is a whole way to train them that really has to be clear, consistant, and trained better than I know I can commit to with my 'real' life and 'real' job getting in the way.




MaggieRoseLee 10-12-2007 07:50 PM

Re: Teeter question - contacts
 
BTW, there is a GSD agility list on yahoo and that's ALL that we've been talking about for the past few days. So if you want to join and look at the past postings, there's alot of different opinions (just remember I'm right https://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...%%/32_poke.gif https://www.germanshepherds.com/forum.../whistling.gif )

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MaggieRoseLee 10-15-2007 07:17 AM

Re: Teeter question - contacts
 
For those who want to continue to have their life sucked out of them by spending even more time with emails....

There are 2 other lists that have great info:

http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/...e?A0=AGILEDOGS

and this one that is specifically set up for only training questions/issues:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CleanRun/

All agility, all the time!




gsdmom1 10-23-2007 10:51 AM

Re: Teeter question - contacts
 
2o2o is the way to go. Training is hard enough, why be inconsistant???

ArtistInNature 03-23-2008 05:51 PM

Re: Training Contacts for Agility
 
I've always been in the 2o2o camp myself. However, in the Barb Davis seminar here last weekend we spent some time discussing running vs stopped contacts. My takeaways from Barb's discussion:

- Only train running dogwalk if you have a dogwalk and can work on this several times a week; otherwise stick with stopped
- A running A-frame is easier to train and maintain than dogwalk, depending on the dog's stride.
- A running contact requires complete observation and consistency from the handler; Barb insists on the handler saying "ONE TWO" as the dog takes the down strides, and emphasizing the TWO
- Dogs will blow contacts about 20% of the time in trials, whether stopped or running
- Barb feels a running Aframe is easier on the dog - and in our breed that's important - as well as more motivating

We tried Suka in running A-frame and she was good - her stride fits it naturally. She also has a dynamite 2o2o in training, then gets amped at trials and can blow her contacts occasionally. Will report back later this summer after we do more retraining and if I get brave enough to try running in trials.

MaggieRoseLee 03-23-2008 06:43 PM

Re: Training Contacts for Agility
 
ArtistInNature, keep us posted on the contacts...

BTW, with my 3rd agility dog, we have never blown a contact (2on/2off) and hope to continue. But it's all about consistancy!




I_LOVE_MY_MIKKO 03-23-2008 07:51 PM

Re: Training Contacts for Agility
 
since we started training a running contact, mikko never misses it. he never liked doing the 2o2o, never really got it, so we trained the running contact and its working great for us. he knows the word slow, so we just have him slow down towards the contact. i recently read an article in clean run about training the running contact and how its getting so important in major competitions for speed/time. i also heard it was easier on their joints, so that just made our decision to use running contacts easier.

ArtistInNature 04-01-2008 08:24 PM

Re: Training Contacts for Agility
 
Quote:

Originally Posted By: MaggieRoseLeeArtistInNature, keep us posted on the contacts...

BTW, with my 3rd agility dog, we have never blown a contact (2on/2off) and hope to continue. But it's all about consistancy!
Well. I have to say that we're not doing well!

Suka has been OK w/2o2o, then we had the Barb Davis seminar 2 weeks ago and tried her with running contacts. Last week I drilled her on 2o2o w/stride regulators on the A-frame all week. Results: she blew EVERY single contact in Exc Std over our weekend trial in Idaho Falls.

My trainer, Wendy Parciak, suggests training only 2o2o w/stride regulators. Period - never phasing out the stride regulators at home. And using a fast release in trials...but Suka is so prone to leaping off the A-frame from halfway up that we're going to skip trying running for now. She gets too amped at trials. (As in, I can barely get her slip lead off her neck because she's barking so much her head is too wide... https://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...%%/shocked.gif )

Maybe the next dog I'll train running only...

I_LOVE_MY_MIKKO 04-01-2008 08:38 PM

Re: Training Contacts for Agility
 
Quote:

Originally Posted By: I_LOVE_MY_MIKKOsince we started training a running contact, mikko never misses it. he never liked doing the 2o2o, never really got it, so we trained the running contact and its working great for us. he knows the word slow, so we just have him slow down towards the contact. i recently read an article in clean run about training the running contact and how its getting so important in major competitions for speed/time. i also heard it was easier on their joints, so that just made our decision to use running contacts easier.
he was not doing well with contacts this weekend! he was just barely hitting them- leaving it up to the judge's discretion- too close for my comfort! running contacts have worked for us in the past, but i don't think i've been reinforcing them enough lately...when one thing is fixed another one breaks https://www.germanshepherds.com/forum.../hammered2.gif


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