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Old 06-19-2014, 02:02 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I wonder also if dignity means different things to different dogs? For instance, I know many older dogs are completely mortified by having an accident. I posted a while back about Heidi "losing" poop in the house occasionally. When this happened, she would just look at me like "so what, deal with it." I'm not saying it wouldn't be a dignity issue if she gets to where she is lying in it, etc., but a small, firm accident really didn't seem to bother her much. Also, I know some dogs get along amazingly well using a cart, but I think for others it would signify a loss of dignity?
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Old 06-19-2014, 02:03 PM   #22 (permalink)
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as the owner of a dog that was euthanized due to sudden and irreversible paralysis yes i will say he was ashamed of himself
we assured him it was not his fault but had you been here you could have seen he was very pained and troubled by having what he perceived as accidents in the house
in fact the loss of dignity in that situation was what drove us to euthanize him because it was not a kindness to him to keep him alive
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Old 06-19-2014, 02:09 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I'm on my first dog, I haven't had to make decisions and you're right, I wasn't there to see your dog. It's possible that they're ashamed of something.

It sounds unbelievable to me for now but so did many things before.


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Old 06-19-2014, 02:19 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I wonder also if dignity means different things to different dogs?
i think so
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Since all dogs have different personalities I'm sure dignity has different levels. I've come across dogs that appear truly clueless and I know many dogs that have an excelled intelligence and understanding of their surroundings.
When you look into those eyes sometimes it seems that they are looking into you.
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I have had to make the decision to have two dogs (at different times in my life) put to sleep. They were both getting old and seemed to go from there to not there rather quickly. The trigger for me outside of the physical difficulties was the lack of life in there eyes. You can see when the light has left and they are miserable with their own existence. I believe they will let you know when the time is right for them to be allowed to go.
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I do believe the dignity comes at different levels for every dog and other animals for that matter. I do also think that some dogs to make the decision that this is the end. When I as young I remember my Sheltie who was very old and having issues, who never went outside on his own anymore, and never was without a human, suddenly asked to go outside by himself and lay under his favorite tree... he passed away within an hour of that moment. We thought it so odd that he was staying out by himself, but IMO he knew that he was going and wanted to find his own place.
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Old 06-19-2014, 03:13 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I agree w/ My boy Diesel and Kiya dignity and when its time to go is as individual as every dog is.I think its about dignity,the pain they are in and whether they are still finding joy in their life. Daisy was in distress but when they brought her in to say goodbye she drug the tech into the room.Daisy hated the vets office. She always wanted to be w/ us but in those last 24 hours couldnt.

Lucky, being almost 12 years old means I watch him alot. I see him lose his back legs when he's trying to get up or when he's running sometimes and I know I have to make sure he still has fun and feels safe.He also wants to be w/ me no matter what. So I may end up sleeping on our couch for a period of time if his legs continue to fail. The girls I dont know as well as I did Daisy and Lucky but they are people dogs and love walks and car rides.How I will know ? Im not sure but I'll go back to the scale Jean B posted and hope and pray for wisdom.
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I guess I don't consider a dog having dignity. Yes, they may feel worried when they potty in the house, and we have to just clean it up, not saying it is ok, not punishing the dog, just taking it as a matter of course. But I do not know that, that would be the deciding factor in when to euthanize.

For me it is a quality of life thing. If the dog is in pain, and is depressed -- does not want to get up, does not want to eat, etc. It is probably time. We can help dogs go to the bridge, so they do not need to suffer through the process of dying.
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I wonder also if dignity means different things to different dogs? For instance, I know many older dogs are completely mortified by having an accident. I posted a while back about Heidi "losing" poop in the house occasionally. When this happened, she would just look at me like "so what, deal with it." I'm not saying it wouldn't be a dignity issue if she gets to where she is lying in it, etc., but a small, firm accident really didn't seem to bother her much. Also, I know some dogs get along amazingly well using a cart, but I think for others it would signify a loss of dignity?
I am not convinced that dogs understand the concept of dignity. Going potty in the house due to old age/health issues can certainly upset the humans in the house. Dogs read those upset emotions and react to it. Owners that are sensitive to such events react more strongly and so does the dog (e.g. hiding, hanging head, etc which I think is appeasement behavior and not shame or loss of "dignity").

When my old dog Maddie started having incontinence issues we simply dealt with the cleanup, didn't scold or otherwise react to it. It happened. We cleaned and moved on with our lives. And so did Maddie.

Maddie also used a cart and it bought her another year of quality life. Was she ashamed and feeling less dignified by using a doggie wheelchair? No, I don't think so. She took to it immediately and was really happy having increased mobility. She did feel a little vulnerable being locked into an apparatus but I don't think she was ashamed of it. I know plenty of humans, my mother included, that could not accept a wheelchair due to a loss of dignity. If my mother could have only seen Maddie enjoying her wheelchair perhaps it would have convinced her to accept one herself. But I digress...

Getting old sucks. Someday someone may have to clean up after me and I sure hope that isn't enough to have me put down. As Selzer said, it's a quality of life thing. When Maddie didn't want to do her daily walk anymore and seemed depressed we knew it was time to PTS. When I no longer take joy from life, well then my time will have come.
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Yep, I just didn't wNt to say it. But, yeAh, if a dog is hiding because he pottied in the house it's not because he's ashamed, it's because he read your reaction to it. I'm not saying you're beating him for it but you're upset or yu don't like it and he can tell.


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