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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 11-15-2016, 03:02 PM Thread Starter
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Finally a positive training dilemma.

So I have been working with my dogs since I have had them. Sit, down, stay, recall, touch, heel, loose leash walking, leave it. Other basic stuff. However, I want to do more with them. Living where I live I haven't found any clubs or trainers that do sports. Until last week. I just happened to drive by a facility that does SCH and obviously the advanced obedience that goes along with it. I talked to the guy for about 45 minutes. Basically I would pay for one dog then teach the others at home like I am doing now. Until we get to bite work then it's all in house. And it's affordable. The only thing is he uses no treats or toys in his training. Kind of the opposite of how I have been training all this time. Not saying his way is better or worse just don't know about it.
Today I just happened to drive by another facility and while they don't offer SCH they do offer agility, flyball, and barn hunts. I spoke with the lady there and we have almost identical training philosophies it's also affordable but not sure how to incorporate three dogs into these sports. I suppose I could have each one take a different sport. Or pick one and put them in it. Or find what they're all best at and do that. She invited me to come check out whatever I want to get an idea of them.
So that is my positive dilemma. Go with SCH that I know Athena and probably Apollo would excel at. Not sure about Rosko. Obedience he would be fine but maybe he's too soft for the bite work. Or pick another sport with the other facility.
And the different training philosophies. Anyone on here train with no treats or toys. How is it different. Just no treats or toys just an atta boy or what.
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As a multiple dog owner I can say that I have tried multiple different things with different dogs to find out what suits them best. I have been wrong on a couple occasions as to what I thought would be a good fit, so dabbling in all is not a bad idea. I have also found that they might not like or do well in one thing when younger but it changes when they get older.

Just remember that younger dogs should be careful with any kind of jumping.

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I now see a trainer that has GSD and is very active in the IPO world. Can't say enough how great it is to have someone that understands your dog off the bat. My trainer has seen lots of dogs. She trains all dogs and she's active in the IPO. I am excited to move forward with her. Before this, I trained with markers and treats. I was happy with the trainers who helped me learn marker training and the intial stuff. They were great but they were just pet trainers. I sought out the new trainer as a way to challenge my dog and to see what's next. I can't get as active as I would like in the IPO world because my weekends are full of my children's activities but I'm looking forward to it as a future endeavor.
I didn't find it was a problem at all not using the clicker and treats. I thought it would have been.
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I now see a trainer that has GSD and is very active in the IPO world. Can't say enough how great it is to have someone that understands your dog off the bat. My trainer has seen lots of dogs. She trains all dogs and she's active in the IPO. I am excited to move forward with her. Before this, I trained with markers and treats. I was happy with the trainers who helped me learn marker training and the intial stuff. They were great but they were just pet trainers. I sought out the new trainer as a way to challenge my dog and to see what's next. I can't get as active as I would like in the IPO world because my weekends are full of my children's activities but I'm looking forward to it as a future endeavor.
I didn't find it was a problem at all not using the clicker and treats. I thought it would have been.
I don't use clicker just treats, toys or sometimes ill just use a lot of verbal praise and play. They do well with all three. I just don't want to make it not fun for me or them. I work hard for a living. Right now I really enjoy training my dogs. It relaxes me and helps me release the stress of every day life. I just don't wanna make dog training feel like work.
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As a multiple dog owner I can say that I have tried multiple different things with different dogs to find out what suits them best. I have been wrong on a couple occasions as to what I thought would be a good fit, so dabbling in all is not a bad idea. I have also found that they might not like or do well in one thing when younger but it changes when they get older.

Just remember that younger dogs should be careful with any kind of jumping.
I think I'll go Check out the agility, flyball, and barn hunts. If I take a dog or two with me each time maybe they'll give me an indication of how they will do by how much they wanna join the fun.
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I can't imagine training with no treats or toys...what are the rewards? Does that include tug toys? I mean I thought you did that to work up to biting on the sleeve but I have never done schutzhund so I wouldn't know.

I train my dogs because it is fun, and I have more fun when they have more fun... I use e collars and prong collars and corrections are fine if they are appropriate and the dog really knew they made a mistake.

All I can say is me personally, I wouldn't train with someone who didn't use food or toys.
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I think I'll go Check out the agility, flyball, and barn hunts. If I take a dog or two with me each time maybe they'll give me an indication of how they will do by how much they wanna join the fun.
At the core you'll be learning obedience training from multiple venues. As an owner/trainer, you'll learn a lot. Sounds fun.
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I can't imagine training with no treats or toys...what are the rewards? Does that include tug toys? I mean I thought you did that to work up to biting on the sleeve but I have never done schutzhund so I wouldn't know.

I train my dogs because it is fun, and I have more fun when they have more fun... I use e collars and prong collars and corrections are fine if they are appropriate and the dog really knew they made a mistake.

All I can say is me personally, I wouldn't train with someone who didn't use food or toys.
He did say that eventually toys are used when we would get to bite work. He seemed very qualified. Ex Marine. Where he was first introduced to dog training. I have just never trained that way. Not sure if I want to relearn all that I have learned.
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He did say that eventually toys are used when we would get to bite work. He seemed very qualified. Ex Marine. Where he was first introduced to dog training. I have just never trained that way. Not sure if I want to relearn all that I have learned.
Rewards with praise you think?
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Rewards with praise you think?
Idk. Maybe.! I'm still undecided. One minute I'm like agility facility, the next minute I'm like SCH facility. Maybe I should take a couple obedience classes at each place then decide what I want to do long term. The SCH guy has you take a dog psychology course prior to any classes. So that may be interesting anyway.
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