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Old 03-23-2015, 10:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Two things that I have question on that seemed to be key to him in training the owners. One, which is to keep the excitement level down and don't introduce him to another dog when his excitement level is too high, that I understand.

The other is when the owners were reunited both times after their pit had been away (at his dog training camp). For reintroduction back to the owners and the familiar yard, they were instructed not to make eye contact. Why?

My 9 mo old female GSD, in the last 2 mos seems to make constant eye contact with me. She has learned so much but has a long way to go. The one thing that's bothered me and I know now it's the most important thing, is when she's out in the yard and not an exercise time (just for potty). I will call her and she will stop whatever she's doing, lower her head and just stare at me.

I treat trained her to come in the house this winter. I chose that method as opposed to the long lead because well, it seemed to work and it was easier than being out in 12 degrees at 3am with a long line. Now, I'm concerned that she is simply choosing not to come and the dropping of her head and the stare is pretty much saying to me "no, I'm not gonna come, what are you gonna do about it"? If I product a treat from my pocket, now, half the time, she still doesn't budge.

Am I reading this correctly? Is this a start to something worse like aggression? Why does she drop her head and freeze? Sometimes, she will lift one paw (means unsure?) I know this is something I need to get on right away and make the major focus. Any incite or method you could share would be much appreciated. Thank you!
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cesar is all about the no eye contact or it will be a challenge to the dog....
your dog is probably staring at you when you call her in because she wants to engage you to come outside and play with her.
Has she shown aggressive behavior with you? I wouldn't read too much into it, but I would make her come in when you call her, regardless of how she acts. If she doesn't then it is time to take some steps back in the training and up the nilif. Make sure she gets praised everytime she makes the right choices.
Cesar's thinking is sometimes a bit over the top with dominating dogs and making them be so submissive. I hate seeing people think that tails tucked are a good thing when he's done with them.
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Other than this behaviour how is she behaved in general around the hose and on walks??
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cesar is all about the no eye contact or it will be a challenge to the dog....
your dog is probably staring at you when you call her in because she wants to engage you to come outside and play with her.
Has she shown aggressive behavior with you? I wouldn't read too much into it, but I would make her come in when you call her, regardless of how she acts. If she doesn't then it is time to take some steps back in the training and up the nilif. Make sure she gets praised everytime she makes the right choices.
Cesar's thinking is sometimes a bit over the top with dominating dogs and making them be so submissive. I hate seeing people think that tails tucked are a good thing when he's done with them.
Thanks! I've heard about the dominance thing with his training method before. It's very possible and most likely she just wants me out to play and explore. She has never shown even mild irritation when I'm training her. I have really stepped up the training the last 6 weeks or so because she has matured and can concentrate sooo much better. She is so receptive right now to training. She loves it. So, do I need to do the long line? I can't see any other way at this point though I was hoping to avoid it. Never had this problem with any of my other dogs in the last 40 years.
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If this is accurate then you are simply dealing with as ony'girl...stubborn! Maybe it's a girl think?? I saw that look alot introtro spec with my Boxers...A#1 as breed in stubborn!

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...73-post15.html
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Other than this behaviour how is she behaved in general around the hose and on walks??
She's great around the house. A little pushy with her "wants" but now because of her age, I'm not afraid to put my "drill Sargent" hat on when needed and she responds quickly. She is quick to recover from any verbal correction and stays happy and light hearted.

Walks, working on. We got pretty trapped for winter. She needs lots of work. Got the prong and the Easy walk. We'll git'er'done.
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If this is accurate then you are simply dealing with as ony'girl...stubborn! Maybe it's a girl think?? I saw that look alot introtro spec with my Boxers...A#1 as breed in stubborn!

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...73-post15.html
Hate to admit it, but it might be a "girl thing". Now that you mentioned it, I have been down this "stubborn" path before with a Strat Bull Terrier female I owned back in the 70's.

Not to say female dogs are stubborn bitches. Maybe just a little smarter than boy dogs as far as taking advantage of opportunities
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Got the prong and the Easy walk. We'll git'er'done.
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I doubt you'll find any fans of "easy walk" here. And the fact that you have both???

Says you don't really understand how to use a prong collar properly?? The "Easy Walk" take it back to where you got it!

The prong collar if that's what you chose to use, you should start here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nibaQnS44FE

What I recommend and do with my dogs is the first video clip in this link:
http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/5296377-post8.html

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Lol, Chip18. Stonevintage, I'm a fan of the EasyWalk, but I do agree if you want to use a tool it's best to pick one and stick to it. Using multiples at the same time (unless I misunderstand?) just tends to set different criteria for the dog depending on which one you employ and can be confusing. It also splits your focus if you're trying to operate multiple tools.
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????
I doubt you'll find any fans of "easy walk" here. And the fact that you have both???

Says you don't really understand how to use a prong collar properly?? The "Easy Walk" take it back to where you got it!

The prong collar if that's what you chose to use, you should start here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nibaQnS44FE

What I recommend and do with my dogs is the first video clip in this link:
http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/5296377-post8.html

I got the Herm Sprenger a month ago. I have only used it 2 times, not enough to even get the timing down exactly right yet. I watched more videos than you can shake a stick at before I purchased it. To me, it will be the one to use. I got the Sporn Halter today, brand new in the package at a thrift store for 2.50 (so if it's not for her, no biggie). I read about it today about how it corrects with the nerves that run under the arms rather than the neck trachea area. Do you see a difference? This is not the Easy walk that pulls their legs into an un natural position. It's the Sporn.

I was hoping to train her on the Herm Sprenger and move down to the Sporn and then finally, to the normal collar. Wrong thinking? Haven't seen any videos etc on "stepping down" on the Prong to the regular collar. Summer backed off on the pulling with the prong. The initial corrections worked like a dream, but then she just seemed to want to tough it out and pull anyway. I stopped her repeatedly on the walk to "reset her" and get slack for a proper correction when the time came, but shortly she ignored the corrections. ( and experienced coughing after use both times) but also picked right back up pulling hard with the regular collar, so I was thinking of transition with the Sporn if I can get the prong use down???
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