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lyssa62 08-20-2014 11:12 AM

yet another piece of worthless gear bought
 
I have almost exhausted the plethora of gear out there for walks. Yesterday I picked up a star mark training collar. ( plastic prong is what it is) ...yep worthless ...now have to make a 30 minute trek back to the store to take it back.

trainer says I am too dependent on my leash ..which I totally agree. "I" am leash reactive. My problem is I have a dog with OCD or ADD or something (kidding) ..... she isn't in the LEAST treat motivated NOR toy motivated. If she sees something she thinks she needs to check out I could have a top sirloin steak in my hand and she would think "yeah so eat it and let me over here at what I need to look at"

....so I'm back to the regular prong but wishing I could graduate up to a regular flat collar ( but when I try that she's choking herself ) at least the prong gets her to stop what she is doing and I don't hear her gagging.

The trainer can get her to do what she wants in class but when I take the leash back over it's like "oh yeah you are my mom...I don't have to listen to you"...now let's go back over here and try to play with this dog."

and I will admit I need to get over this "best friend" thing I have going on with her. It's like with the kids I was always preaching ...stop being your kids friend and be their parent first ....but when it comes to Roxy it's like I dont' follow my own advice and think I have to not scold her and be all " come on now let's go over here plllllllllllease"

blehmannwa 08-20-2014 12:50 PM

I'm sorry to hear that the Star Mark didn't work for you. I've used it with my dogs and still walk Havoc with it--my husband walks him with a flat collar but I feel like I need more control. Maybe the difference is that we used the Star Mark from puppy hood.

Liesje 08-20-2014 01:14 PM

Why not walk her on a prong? I have dogs that have many titles and yet when I walk multiple dogs (when I am outweighed by dog) I have them wearing prongs. I have nothing to prove when out for a walk other than I can guarantee control of all my dogs. If people want to see them heel around off leash or perform in a chaotic environment, they can come to our Schutzhund training or trial, flyball tournament, agility practice, etc.

DJEtzel 08-20-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Liesje (Post 5926617)
Why not walk her on a prong? I have dogs that have many titles and yet when I walk multiple dogs (when I am outweighed by dog) I have them wearing prongs. I have nothing to prove when out for a walk other than I can guarantee control of all my dogs. If people want to see them heel around off leash or perform in a chaotic environment, they can come to our Schutzhund training or trial, flyball tournament, agility practice, etc.

I agree wholeheartedly.

lyssa62 08-20-2014 02:34 PM

our main issues are --

pulling when other dogs approach -- I try to do that threshold thing ...and sometimes it works...her deal is she thinks every dog down there is there to play

ignoring people as they pass us but then turns around and watches them...I keep trying to get her focus back on me but until she feels they are at a safe distance she keeps watching...

people approaching us are greeted with raised hackles and very vocal barking -- she doesn't lunge at people but she backs up and barks ....( stranger danger)


I'm not good in classes at all...I forget to praise her when she does something good / right ..I'm so busy concentrating on what we are doing or focused on who is being the *** pseudo swear removed by MOD ***in class for the night ( there is always 1 and this time I'm talking about the humans)

the class we are in right now there are 2 other dog aggressive dogs in class...so when they start their crap that gets roxy riled up cuz I think she thinks they want to play and I'm not sure with them that is the case....so it's me pulling her back and it's pulling not coaxing nicely

I'm a wreck most of the time...and what is crazy is that without distractions this is the most well behaved dog you would hope to see...I need video of what goes on here when we are not walking or not in class....you would never guess it's the same dog.

wolfy dog 08-20-2014 05:04 PM

Why not hire a private trainer?

SuperG 08-20-2014 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lyssa62 (Post 5926865)
...I need video of what goes on here when we are not walking or not in class....you would never guess it's the same dog.


I bet I could have made a similar video....LOL.

From the house/backyard into general population is a chore for many dogs and owners...I know this firsthand. However, this time around I am not quitting on this dog and more than willing to take the long road towards a mildly DA dog getting her act together....step by step. I'm generally an impatient person but not when it comes to this issue. Chances are, it's more my failure and lacking than the dog's.

Somebody recently posted an article describing the 3 Ds in regards to our situation...Distraction, Distance and Duration...it's a good read.



SuperG

lyssa62 08-20-2014 06:44 PM

oh no I'll never give up and I'm totally taking most of the blame. I took her down to the building we have training in ( have a membership there) ....all by ourselves...the little ( fill in your own) ..did everything SPOT ON! One of the helpers showed up ...she was going to clean and so she saw how Roxy will respond one on one...so I HAVE A WITNESS !!! YAY!!!!! We got into a long conversation ( she has a 4 year old rescue shepherd that makes Roxy look angelic...she had her in class on Monday)....so we had a nice long chat and the whole time Roxy just sat and laid and looked at me...and made her noise when she knows it's going to be a long story ( which is kind of funny)...she makes a cow moo sound and gets comfy.
Anyhow I'm just thrilled that I have a witness to the thing I am always trying to tell them....but she does this right at home. I know the helper believes me since she deals with it too....only on a higher level of never know what's going to trigger.

I will just keep troding along and taking classes and working with her. We'll get this. I may give this star mark thing one more try before I chuck it and take it back. But right now it looks like at least for awhile longer she will be on a prong. She's only 76 lbs but it's muscle and somehow can stranglehold my 135lbs.

Liesje 08-21-2014 09:12 AM

Class may be too much for her. The issue here is that she needs to be confident in herself and you. Her behavior is incidental. Focus on her *confidence* and not the actual lunging and barking. If she is over-threshold (reacting) in class, then it's too much for her even if all the other dogs are fine. Work on YOUR relationship and interactions with the dog and you will likely see vast improvement indirectly.

David Winners 08-21-2014 09:58 AM

To add to what Lies said :

Stay under threshold. That may mean that you don't leave your front yard for a couple weeks. Add distraction slowly and be prepared to take a step back. Move from the front yard to the street right in front of the house and don't progress any further until she is good there.

Baby steps.

Any time you go too far, recognize your mistake and ease back on the distraction. Build good habits.

If she won't take food, withhold a meal before you know you are going into a difficult situation. Then the rewards will have more value and the effect will be greater.

Baby steps.


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