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DaniFani 06-01-2014 01:46 PM

Don Sullivan....Dealing with Aggression & Sep Anxiety
 
Just saw this guy in some youtube videos. Both dogs are GSD's with issues that are pretty common around here. I've seen similar methods work on lots of pet dogs. I like the things he says about the dog in the second video, about the excuses people make, etc...pretty basic stuff, but I know they are pretty common issues. It's awesome that a dog that originally had to take pills/drugs, can now be drug and stress free AND in such a SHORT amount of time. I know a lot of people are against punishment, but I have seen it "fix" so many dogs, so fast, and then they can move on, living their lives stress free (both owner and dogs). Just another option for people struggling with these common issues (DA, Separation anxiety...leading to destruction).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1IDp7MigDQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fel2WzMcDSg

DaniFani 06-01-2014 02:16 PM

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...ect-dog-5.html

Just found this 4 year old discussion on this dude. Interesting thoughts from all. I don't think these methods should be used from the get go on a puppy. I think they are effective (as seen by the thousands of people that proclaim to have very well behaved dogs now as a result), and just another option for those struggling with mature dogs with issues. Especially difficult issues like aggression.

I think a dog meant for sport or work will have it's own program very different than a strictly "pet" dog, I believe this is more for pet owners that just want an obedient dog, that are currently dealing with very common issues.

I went to the lake yesterday with the family and brought my corgi. I put him in a down while we made lunch, while we were down by the lake, etc...His down is dang near 100% reliable, he does not break it at all. There were a TON of dogs there. Nearly everyone that walked within ten feet of mine, barked, lunged, or pulled to get to him. I'm talking a TON of dogs. I didn't see a single one with basic, reliable, obedience. One picnic table over had a dog that actually had one of those nylon muzzles on and was lunging and growling at everyone that walked by the table it was tied to...while owners sat by drinking beer. The solution to their problem of aggression? Slap a muzzle on the dog, tie it to a table, and go about life.

The people around this forum are not the "norm" in the pet/dog world. I would say most people's dogs have zero obedience, or good "tricks" at home, with no obedience once they have distractions. These people are either not going to fix their issues, or they will only do it if it's a "quick" fix. I don't have a feeling of that being right or wrong, I just think it is what it is. These types of programs are successful (I feel), because they are quick and get results.

I have nothing against "longer" programs (I use one myself because I want to do sport with my dog), however...I understand the need for these types of programs (the short ones). The dogs aren't ruined afterwords, they aren't damaged, they are able to live life (I think) more enjoyably with their families. I am in support of ANY program that can get that result for families.

Blitzkrieg1 06-01-2014 02:19 PM

Simple common sense stuff. But common sense just isnt that comon these days..lol.
When you take away the emotion and you limit the dogs options to the outcome you desire through physical and mental management the transformation is always amazing.

Ofcourse you listen to some people on here the dog would be on a halty, uppers, downers, they would be working on thresholds for the next year etc etc..
The grand stories of how proud they where of their rescue baby when she was able to be alone for 15 minutes without destroying the car or peeing herself..etc etc..

We need more guys like him on TV and the net..

I will say though neither of those dogs were monsters or extreme cases. Just run of the mill stuff.

gsdsar 06-01-2014 02:24 PM

I have only ever seen the one or two videos of this guy, plus his infomercial stuff.

But from what it looks like is basic, mainly balanced reward/correction redirection work. Nothing new or amazing. Correct the dog for unwanted behavior, praise when they do what you asked.

Not a fan of the forcing the "down", still think you should teach before forcing.

But I agree that for 95% of homes, this method is quick and gets them what they want. If they have a normal dog that just has no boundaries. It's pet dog training 101.

Don't think he is anything special. It's a basic slip leash, a few pops, some praise. But nothing new or amazing, just good PR and marketing


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Muskeg 06-01-2014 06:21 PM

I agree, it is nothing amazing, but what I did l like was to hear him say "this is a dog with aggression." Period. Not, this dog is scared, this dog is over threshold, blah blah. Just, this is aggression, this dog has aggression in him, let's get that in the open and work from there. I think we'd all benefit from using the proper "labels".

And I also agree that most people simply do not have the patience or ability to work their dog under threshold for years. I don't. Didn't like the down, would have liked to see more rewards layered in, but all in all, good basics for a pet dog owner. Better than many celebrity trainers.

Chip18 06-02-2014 01:23 PM

A quick question and some observations from a "Pet guy." :) This strikes me as very similar to the Leerburgh "Who Pets my Puppy or Dog" in a lot of ways.

I couldn't do the "down" or leash corrections with Rocky " he has "Wobblers" so allowances had to made. I did use a fabric/mesh muzzle for a bit but it never really seem to come into play and when I was comfortable with him being comfortable, I dropped it.

But it seemed like using it (muzzle) has a psychological component to it??

I also would think you teach a dog 'Down" first. But what I see with that dog was a dog with issues. My or my not know "Down?" Don't care your doing it and doing it now!

Can't argue with his results! :)

Cassidy's Mom 06-02-2014 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Muskeg (Post 5589930)
I agree, it is nothing amazing, but what I did l like was to hear him say "this is a dog with aggression." Period. Not, this dog is scared, this dog is over threshold, blah blah. Just, this is aggression, this dog has aggression in him, let's get that in the open and work from there. I think we'd all benefit from using the proper "labels".

Sure, but sometimes that other stuff is as or more important than the simple statement that the dog has aggression. Why is the dog acting aggressive? What's the trigger? Is the aggression coming from a place of confidence or a place of fear or insecurity? The first dog might need to be taken down a peg with strong leadership, or be given an appropriate way to channel that aggression, but the second dog might be ruined with that approach, but could thrive with a completely different approach.

Or maybe you'd you deal with it the same way, regardless of the source of aggression?

Baillif 06-02-2014 10:40 PM

You can deal with it the same way regardless then work on the reason after with a dog with a clearer head.

Blitzkrieg1 06-02-2014 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Baillif (Post 5594258)
You can deal with it the same way regardless then work on the reason after with a dog with a clearer head.

Exactly. Too many want to waste time soul searching. Why? Is he afraid? Is it his past? Is he dominant?

Then after they create the story in their head to justify the behavior they treat the dog like its made out of glass. What could take 1 month turns into a year long process or in many cases is never completely addressed. Of course the excuses abound again.

In the end with the vast majority of cases if you provide firm consistent leadership / training and remove the dogs options:

The fearful/insecure type dogs feel safer and thus a lot of the behaviors go away.

The confident/dominant type dogs respect you and thus are open to the boundaries and training system you choose to impose upon them.

IMO you get what you get genetics wise but just about any dog can be molded into a functioning member of the household that can be taken out in public or left at home without fear of adverse consequences.

Chip18 06-03-2014 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Baillif (Post 5594258)
You can deal with it the same way regardless then work on the reason after with a dog with a clearer head.

Now this time I can say been there done that! :)

In full agreement here! My guy had "people issues" technically I don't know if it was fear or aggression? Struck me that he was not fearful? But regardless, I wasn't having it!!

Leerburgh "Who Pets my Puppy or Dog" worked out just fine for me and Rocky, seven years later I am still enjoying my issue free dog!

Personally I think it's about the dog owners attitude, pro's don't take crap from dogs! By and large "most" pet people do!

Don't want to hurt Fife's feelings get's alot of folks in a world hurt!

Someone mentioned the lack of treats? I wasn't real big on treats myself. My take was pretty much...because I say so!

And my primary means of corrections was tone of voice!


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