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Blanketback 04-15-2014 11:04 AM

Very interesting ecollar article
 
See no evil. Read no evil. Cite no evil. | Smartdogs' Weblog

This is definitely worth reading, especially if you're like me and haven't used an ecollar yet but are keeping an open mind about them.

Gwenhwyfair 04-15-2014 02:29 PM

Ah....the research Queen reigns! :)

Great find!

Interesting, from your link, this was duplicated in the other study Lou Castle mentioned:

Quote:

Many people are concerned that the stress of e-collar training will make dogs fearful or aggressive. While the dogs developed an initial conditioned anticipatory fear reaction during the escape training portion of Tortora’s program, their fear was extinguished during the subsequent avoidance and proofing stages. Upon reviewing these results, Tortora stated “It seems that the impact of safety reinforcement is to make the dog less fearful generally and better able to withstand trauma.

Jax08 04-15-2014 02:37 PM

Original thread on this blog

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...le-review.html

David Winners 04-15-2014 04:55 PM

From: See no evil. Read no evil. Cite no evil. - Salgirli 2008, Comparison of Stress and Learning Effects of Three Different Training Methods: Electronic Training Collar, Pinch Collar and Quitting Signal,


Quote:

The results of the present study indicate that the electronic training collar induces less distress and shows stronger “learning effect” in dogs in comparison to the pinch collar. The quitting signal is on the other hand not found effective in police dog training although it causes the “least distress” reactions in dogs when comparing with the electronic training and pinch collar. Altogether, concerning the “bodily reactions”, the pinch collar was evaluated as the most distressful method and considering the “learning effect”, the electronic training collar was found to be the most effective method.
From - Schalke, Stichnoth and Jones-Baade 2007; Clinical signs caused by the use of electric training collars on dogs in everyday situations

Quote:

In this study Schalke et al. found that when dogs were able to predict and control shocks, they did not show persistent or considerable stress indicators.

It is interesting, and rather telling, that very few anti e-collar articles / studies site the obviously positive study conducted by Daniel F. Tortora. Omitting such research is creating bias in the article or study.

Chip18 04-15-2014 05:08 PM

I've kept an open mind on them also. Especially because I always say any "tool" improperly use can be abused.

Blanketback 04-15-2014 05:19 PM

"After I found Tortora’s article, I decided to conduct a google literature review on articles related to the use of e-collars in dog training. My goal was to get an idea for how widely cited his article was. I spent dozens of hours searching google scholar for articles related to shock collars, remote training collars, electronic training collars and electric collars. I also searched specifically for articles that cited Tortora.
I was shocked by what I discovered
and that’s what inspired the above post."

David, that's the part that jumped out at me - where I underlined the text. This bothered the author, and it bothers me too. Sorry Jax if this seems redundant to you, but when Dani posted this last summer I wasn't ready to consider using an ecollar yet, so I didn't pay as much
attention as I should have.

http://smartdogs.wordpress.com/2010/...-cite-no-evil/

Jax08 04-15-2014 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blanketback (Post 5380897)
Sorry Jax if this seems redundant to you,

huh? I posted the original conversation because I thought there might be something worthwhile in there and someone in this thread might benefit. I won't waste my time again.

Nigel 04-15-2014 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jax08 (Post 5381385)
huh? I posted the original conversation because I thought there might be something worthwhile in there and someone in this thread might benefit. I won't waste my time again.

I doubt it was meant like that and certainly not a waste time, I missed that thread and will check it out, thanks for posting it. We are currently using an e collar and have solved a couple problems in short order, very happy so far.

Gwenhwyfair 04-15-2014 07:37 PM

After looking over that U.K. forum Blanket Back posted in my Amazon UK thread, let me just say, redundant or not, thank goodness we don't get totally shut down and banned for even discussing the use of e collars or prongs here!

Deno 04-15-2014 08:34 PM

The e-collar is a fantastic tool.

The critics are, for the most part, clueless


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