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jafo220 04-12-2014 09:33 PM

New Training Starting Tomorrow
 
Well, a few weeks ago we had a trainer over and discussed training Cruz and decided to go with him. Now tomorrow is our first session. E-collar is utilized. We'll see how he reacts and I'm as in the dark on this as the dog. So it will be a learning experience for all of us. It is in home or where ever we want it to be. He gave us that option. Any where from home to the dog park. He said it didn't matter. I think we'll start out at home so he doesn't get totally stressed out at first intro to the e-collar. That and it's suppose to rain tomorrow. :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, we have been using a prong for walks only. I think I'm starting to see results. We took about a mile and half walk tonight and he only came out of heel twice and at that, it wasn't much out of heel. He seems to be getting the idea now about just walking past the dogs barking at him. He still can't help but react to a few but it's much toned down compared to where it was.

jafo220 04-13-2014 11:27 AM

Well, it's been postponed due to severe weather in the area. Sucks. I was really looking forward to getting started.

Gwenhwyfair 04-13-2014 11:31 AM

Bummer, I know how it feels. Hopefully you can reschedule soon. I've never used an e collar myself so it will be very interesting to follow your and Cruz's progress.

MaggieRoseLee 04-13-2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jafo220 (Post 5366761)
Meanwhile, we have been using a prong for walks only. I think I'm starting to see results. We took about a mile and half walk tonight and he only came out of heel twice and at that, it wasn't much out of heel. He seems to be getting the idea now about just walking past the dogs barking at him. He still can't help but react to a few but it's much toned down compared to where it was.

Am I reading that right? You had your dog 'heel' for a mile an a half just on a walk? Not a training exercise?

Hope I read that wrong. Training is 'training' and a walk should be a walk. Mixing the two is sucking the life out of both....

Merely not pulling on a loose 6' leash isn't heeling and I think (hope?) that's what you meant.

heeling and how happy/fun it should be:


Loose leash walking:



I love and use the e-collar but only AFTER going to classes and teaching the normal way. What happened in your group classes that you are starting with the e-collar? Same instructor to build on earlier classes?

Lauri & The Gang 04-13-2014 12:14 PM

I think it depends on the persons' definition of "heel". For me, when I'm out walking my dogs, a 'heel' is them being by my side. They don't have to be focused on me and they don't have to maintain an EXACT position but they can't lag or forge too much and they can't stop to sniff.

That being said the only time I make my dogs heel on walks is when we are passing people or bikers or crossing a street. Otherwise they are allowed to roam to the end of the leash and explore (as long as they don't pull).

Since we live on 3 acres the dogs get their exercise in our field. Walks are for fun and exploring.

jafo220 04-14-2014 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieRoseLee (Post 5368425)
Am I reading that right? You had your dog 'heel' for a mile an a half just on a walk? Not a training exercise?

Hope I read that wrong. Training is 'training' and a walk should be a walk. Mixing the two is sucking the life out of both....

Merely not pulling on a loose 6' leash isn't heeling and I think (hope?) that's what you meant.



I love and use the e-collar but only AFTER going to classes and teaching the normal way. What happened in your group classes that you are starting with the e-collar? Same instructor to build on earlier classes?

Well, I'm not sure just how to respond to the first paragraph. Heeling to me has always been the dog at your side. Whether it's walking or standing. I've seen numerous videos and some trainers use the heel command for puting the dog back into a heel position. Sorry if I used the wrong terminology for this. It's how I have always referred to it. The point that I was trying to make obviously got lost in the terminology I guess. I guess progress to me must be seen differently to others. Not being yanked around like a ragdoll seemed like some progress whether it's called heeling or loose leash walking.

As far as the training classes go, we've been through two 6 week "normal" training classes. While they were some what effective, they were not effective enough either. We honestly worked with Cruz every night on the commands. We took our first session through Petco. It taught us some basics, but it was cramped with other dogs with their issues and some methods just did not work for us. Leave it and the heel or loose leash walking teaching methods just didn't work. We decided to make a change in trainers and venues. We met with a trainer who himself had two GSD's and it went well for awhile. But Cruze seemed to settle back into the same rut. We did exactly what we were told to do. But it seemed the training was not moving along as it should be. We never got a chance to go back. Between my work and the dogs demeanor, it was risky for just my wife to take him because I was working on the scheduled training days. So we never got to go back. It was during this point, we kept working with him with what we knew and were told to do. But it seemed the more we worked with him, the more confrontational he became at times. Not what I call aggression, but like pecking order type. Also in the back of our heads is the idea that we tried to stay away from other tools, prongs and e-collars, but to train positively. But also both trainer were dead set against using those tools. So we beat or heads against the wall doing what they taught us to do kind of plateau out. It got to the point it was becoming a danger to Cruz, us and the public and possibly other animals. Being this was the reality, neither trainer would consider using other methods or tools, it was time to look in another direction.

So here we are.



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