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Old 03-29-2014, 10:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am responsible for the vast majority of the training my dog receives and she responds very well....better and better every day...she's 1 1/2 years old now and seems to be coming into her prime. Since I do 99% of the training what should I expect of my dog when it comes to her minding my significant other? There is a marked difference in the dog's behavior and obedience when I am not at the helm, I guess I expect this. Is there any other solution besides training the human? Is there a method in which I can train the dog so another human can get the same results as I do?

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If you were around to provide the consequences good or bad to the dog when another person gave the commands then yeah. Otherwise the dog is going to figure out who enforces stuff and who doesn't and when you aren't around won't hesitate to blow off your SI. You have to train the human.
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I deal with this too.

My SO is not on board with training, at all and does not want to become involved.

So.....here's some things I did, hope these tips help you out as well.

I lowered my expectations for hubs. He's just not into training or any real obedience. He just likes to 'play' with them letting the dog pull him down the street on leash is fine with him. So I drilled into him just a few basic safety rule type things. Not allowing door dashing, practicing recall for safety type of things. Breaking out only the really important commands for safety made it seem reasonable to him so he was willing to work on those things.

I also trained the more formal commands using German which he does not know. So when I give commands it's clearer to the dogs what I want and what I mean. This way when hubs is outside telling the dogs to do something he's not 'diluting' any of my commands where I train for snappier response and reinforce consistently. He can say 'down, down, down, down, down' as much as he wants and neither I nor the dogs care. When I say 'platz' they down, also command for loose leash walking. So when he walks they can pull if they want as they are basically 'released'. When I walk I give a command and they have a 'position' that they have learned to stay in. So that helps a lot too, I can just watch and smile ..."down, down, down, down....down.....down........"
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I don't want anyone else training my dogs. The dogs should show manners and listen if someone in the family has to correct them, but no way do I want anyone working with my dogs to 'train' them. Luckily they have no interest, and the dogs aren't hard to manage, they defer to all that live here.
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Old 03-29-2014, 01:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If you were around to provide the consequences good or bad to the dog when another person gave the commands then yeah. Otherwise the dog is going to figure out who enforces stuff and who doesn't and when you aren't around won't hesitate to blow off your SI. You have to train the human.
I do all the training too, but that doesn't mean the dogs aren't expected to also obey my husband. Even though he's not actually training them, I do expect him to reinforce whatever rules I have, but that doesn't always happen, lol. But as long as he's not undoing any of my hard work, I can live with it. I do find myself frequently prompting him around the house - he'll tell them "down" and then not notice that they've gotten up and wandered off, so I'll point it out to him and he yells at them to come back and lay down again. *sigh* If *I* give them a command I pay attention to make sure that they don't break before I've released them.

Dogs definitely figure out what they can get away with from what people, and I don't want him poisoning any of my commands by using them under circumstances where I wouldn't use them (I have formal and informal commands, with different criteria), and the dogs are unlikely to comply.
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My dog and DH are bad influences on each other! DH will give my dog opportunities that I know better than to offer - and his expectations are soooo much lower too, that it's a terrible combination. It's a given that any OB will fluctuate because of this. I had to put my foot down over a few issues, where I didn't want our hard work flushed down the toilet, lol.
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It has started rather heated fights with me and my gf. It is also why I have a set of French commands for sport behavior she never uses. Regular casual obedience is in English. If it comes from her he may or may not listen. If it's from me he knows he better. Pure enforced sport commands in French.

I don't worry too much about bleed over. They figure out who they have to listen to and who they can blow off and as long as you're consistent on what you do the dog knows the deal.

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It has started rather heated fights with me and my gf. It is also why I have a set of French commands for sport behavior she never uses. Regular casual obedience is in English. If it comes from her he may or may not listen. If it's from me he knows he better. Pure enforced sport commands in French.
That's what I used to do, except with german and english. English was a request. German was a command.

My husband would spout off gibberish Def Leppard commands and the dogs blew him off half the time. I'm a young widow, neither of our sons is old enough to remember Dad's nonsense with the dogs.

Yet they still do the same stupid things their father did, genetic or gender, who cares. My daughter pays attention when I train the dogs. She took Venus through a couple classes as a puppy - until Viv got too strong for her (she was 8) but she still works with her at home. It cracks me up when there's snarky remarks about women with clickers and high pitched voices. My daughter's training voice sounds like Minnie Mouse. Yet the dogs love it.

Venus is better about trying to figure out just what my boys want her to do. Otto, forget it, no ball, no food, not listening dudes.
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I suspect training the human as well. Though I actually had to go the opposite direction. I currently have to live with two unbelievably stupid roommates that it seems are always trying to get my dog to "respect their command". But their commands are repititious and usually paired with some sort of physical thing like trying to push my dog to the ground while screaming down at him. Of course he's confused because he recognizes the commands, but not the way they're being used, so I taught him a nonverbal leave it cue. When a roommate screams at him to sit or down, he looks at me for guidance, so I just give the little wrist flick and he'll give the person the "My mom says you're stupid" look and walk away.
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Old 03-29-2014, 05:59 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Appreciate the responses and I was hoping for some "magic" answer but what is obvious, is exactly that. I do however like the idea of commands in different languages so as not to temper the dog's proper response, behavior and consistency by others mucking things up. Yes, training the human seems to be the ticket....as these dogs are too smart not to figure out who is hoping versus expecting.

My wishful thought was; if the dog has an environment of humans requiring 100% capitulation and obedience, it should make the process much easier. Our dog certainly is fine with my wife and all but not to the same degree that the dog obeys me. I recently started working with heeling off leash and the dog is doing great.....of course the distractions are minimal at this stage. What spawned my original question was....I watch my wife walk the dog on leash and the dog does "okay"...nothing I would tolerate but more than fine for my wife....I guess?? No pulling or anything but simply in the wrong position for a proper heel and this position seems to reek of ...the dog is in charge. All this made me think it might be making my new project of solid off lead heeling a bit more involved than it need be. Perhaps, I can utilize my wife as a distraction in the training process going forward....or I could find the proper method to have her share my passion in training our dog.....I know the term has been used to the nth degree lately...and all very amusing....but maybe I simply need to alpha roll my wife....

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