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Old 03-21-2014, 10:28 AM   #21 (permalink)
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and you don't need an ecollar for that. you can use one, but if you're really worried about it, don't. you don't need to. I promise my dogs will recall when running with other dogs and playing. I don't have control issues and my current dogs have never worn an ecollar. My battery wore out on my last dog and i'm too cheap to buy a new one So, I've had to train it other ways and it really isn't any different.

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Sri ill let someone else go into the how to teach heeling or loose leash walking part, but once you have it you up the level of distraction while doing it and either use punishment or negative reinforcement if the dog breaks the behavior. Once you have a solid behavior if the dog breaks behavior to get reactive you punish. The dog understands after all those reps the punishment was because of breaking behavior instead of seeing a dog or whatever superstition their lemon brain might come up with.

Ive seen dogs given the chance that would murder any dog they saw completely non reactive and calm and under control just off obedience. No counter conditioning necessary although it would make it easier. The obedience can make the counter conditioning easier too.

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Sri, I've an 2 year old intact male that I can recall him from any distance, whether or not he's with other dogs, or if he sees a rabbit/deer and decides to give chase. I trained him using a whistle, indeed I've seen him practically spin mid-sprint to return on hearing it. I've never used a e-collar ( without disregarding them either). I think the secret to recall is a combination of energetic sound ( which is why I use a whistle, never sounds angry or irritated) and the firmly embedded notion in my dog's head that the whistle involves WAY more fun/work than anything he could locate or create for himself.
Archer is not a hard drive dog, he's SL, and pretty confident in himself, so I can't say if this would be suitable for your dog, but I thought you should know, distance and recall are no problems sans e-collar for some dogs.
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That and you can always mark and provide an unplesant conseqence for non compliance if it comes to that. So many people mark rewards and forget you can mark punishment too then close the distance and then provide the consequence. E collars ofc do it much faster but a long line and prong would work pretty well too.
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Sri, I've an 2 year old intact male that I can recall him from any distance, whether or not he's with other dogs, or if he sees a rabbit/deer and decides to give chase. I trained him using a whistle, indeed I've seen him practically spin mid-sprint to return on hearing it. I've never used a e-collar ( without disregarding them either). I think the secret to recall is a combination of energetic sound ( which is why I use a whistle, never sounds angry or irritated) and the firmly embedded notion in my dog's head that the whistle involves WAY more fun/work than anything he could locate or create for himself.
Archer is not a hard drive dog, he's SL, and pretty confident in himself, so I can't say if this would be suitable for your dog, but I thought you should know, distance and recall are no problems sans e-collar for some dogs.
Hi Arlene, Mine is 13 months old, unneutered, working line . Thank you for the response. I've heard of the whistle recall. Mine does well on recalls, in fact he loves them and I love watching him race to me with a big grin on his face. I am going to try the whistle recall. We like to go camping or hiking and It would be great to have more reliability.
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If your worried about screwing the timing on the e collar keep the levels low. I like MEs vids on E Collar training for beginners looking to get started.
My only thing is I hate screwing with a long line hence why I prefer the E Collar.
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Each training tool (including food) has its strengths and weaknesses but if I only got to choose one tool to train my dog with it would hands down be an ecollar.
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Hi Arlene, Mine is 13 months old, unneutered, working line . Thank you for the response. I've heard of the whistle recall. Mine does well on recalls, in fact he loves them and I love watching him race to me with a big grin on his face. I am going to try the whistle recall. We like to go camping or hiking and It would be great to have more reliability.
That's cool I've trained Archer to go left (one peep) and right (two peeps), wait/ halt (sharp triple peep) and 'to me' (Double short, one long) all on the whistle, as he seems to really like this kind of 'work'- which I guess is the herding instinct kicking in.
Initially I looked like a total wally blowing my whistle around the 'wilderness' (actually rough parkland) where we train and exercise in the mornings, but now people are starting to ask me about it as Archer is so quick to respond and one lady is in the process of training her dog to the whistle as well.
I'm teaching him a 'go wide' signal at the moment as I find this to be one of THE most important commands when we're out for dealing with approaching dogs or people who look a little nervous. He already understands it verbally ( I use it when we run in the city), but I'd like to put it to the whistle for off lead work. It's actually quite pleasant to have people compliment you on your dog's behaviour (especially when the decks are sometimes stacked against GSDs) and it allows Archer valuable off lead time to socialise or not (as he chooses) with other dogs.
Best of luck with your dog! I found 13 months really interesting but it was really around the 18 month mark that ALL of Archer's training seemed to come together and now at 2 he is an absolute gem. The photo of include is one of him cooling himself mid a 10k city run ( that's why he's wearing a harness), and being polite to inquisitive swans. As you can see, he does not bother or annoy them in any way, all of this was taught using positive training
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Oh how wonderful! He looks gorgeous even from the back. Love how he is watching the swans curious but relaxed. I would love to teach Frodo all of this with the whistle. Right now he will run where I am pointing and stop and turn when I say 'there'. Actually I don't know how he got that, just evolved from playing i guess. How can I teach him this? Any link to a video or guide much appreciated. .


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Oh how wonderful! He looks gorgeous even from the back. Love how he is watching the swans curious but relaxed. I would love to teach Frodo all of this with the whistle. Right now he will run where I am pointing and stop and turn when I say 'there'. Actually I don't know how he got that, just evolved from playing i guess. How can I teach him this? Any link to a video or guide much appreciated. .


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Heh, a few seconds later he was all, 'ah yes, swans, good day to you, I'll be on my way in a moment.'

I'm sorry I don't have a video, but I will try to explain as best I can. Regarding lefts and rights and so on, I trained Archer using fetching games to teach direction and a hand signal for halt. I'd throw his ball left and reinforce it with the whistle at the same time. The right/whistle and so on. For halt, I put my hand up as he approached and the first time he stopped I added sound. When he was stopping on the sound at all times approaching, I then included the sound while he was traveling away from me, and he nailed it after a few confused looks. Now he stops dead on it, which of course is very useful for a number of reasons.
For a young dog, he's incredibly focused during this kind of game and early on I noticed he was inclined to ignore dogs while anticipating the throw. Using that as my starting point, I often delayed the throws/whistle until sometimes a dog would nearly be on top of us, then release Archer on the whistle the moment I thought he might break- a sort of reward for his patience/tolerance.
Over time he became SO uninterested and relaxed around other dogs he now views them as a mild impediment to his fun and games and is remarkably calm and easy going in dog company. I pack walk him once a week too, which seems to be a great confidence builder. He's not the largest dog in the group, and must be well-behaved. When there are occasional spats within the group (usually amongst the bitches. heh) I can give the 'go wide' command, which keeps him out of trouble, and I ALWAYS throw something for him when he does this, to reinforce and again reward his compliance.
Hope this helps a little!
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