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glowingtoadfly 03-06-2014 05:43 PM

Any other positive trainers of working lines?
 
If you work with clicker training/ positive only methods, what have your experiences been with this type of dog? How do you handle discipline? What role does exercise play in discipline and how often and how do you exercise your dogs? Where do you train?

glowingtoadfly 03-06-2014 06:05 PM

Or if you have a show line, a rescue, a farm line like my in laws lol... Positive trainers of German shepherds?

glowingtoadfly 03-06-2014 06:07 PM

Or those who do not subscribe to pack leader beliefs and question NILIF?

wolfy dog 03-06-2014 06:19 PM

I am all for clicker training and have trained many like this for the last 15 years successfully. My only experiences with WLs are my own WD and DDog, the new pup. I have come to realize that just clicker training doesn't cut it. Especially DDog accepting being handled. Sometimes I just do it and reward him for cooperating (as if he had a choice :) ) as I am getting nowhere with clickering in some departments. DDog is in fact the first dog in all these years that I cannot easily manipulate with the clicker as I could will all other dogs I have worked with. I see the prong in his future, and would never have thought in a million years that I would ever say this. WD was more compliant but once in a while I grabbed him too after he grabbed me as a pup.
I am curious too to hear others on this topic.

Baillif 03-06-2014 06:31 PM

Positive punishment is still positive. Does that count?

glowingtoadfly 03-06-2014 06:40 PM

Lol I don't judge.

wolfy dog 03-06-2014 06:40 PM

Not for me.

glowingtoadfly 03-06-2014 06:43 PM

My girl also struggles with being handled sometimes, Wolfy Dog. How did you " handle" that?

mego 03-06-2014 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baillif (Post 5147633)
Positive punishment is still positive. Does that count?

:rofl:


As a psychology major, I smile when people know the correct terminology. I've always gotten a chuckle out of "positive only" being incorrectly said for positive reinforcement only.

Anywho. The topic... I don't have a working line, but I think it depends on the dog for this (isn't that always the answer?). I always tell people I teach with positive reinforcement only but I proof with positive punishment. I don't correct my dog unless she knows what I'm asking and has already learned something via marker training.

glowingtoadfly 03-06-2014 06:51 PM

I wasn't a psych major, and have studied some about positive punishment too... But yes, I was incorrect. Marker only training with time outs?


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